Alex-1: it is Puzzle of the Week
Smelty: yep
Alex-1: that why it is hard
Smelty: its supposed to be medium xD
Alex-1: :p
Alex-1: trying ti solve CodeVsZombie
Alex-1: Smelty
Smelty: yes
Alex-1: Smelty you solve CodeVsZombie
PatrickMcGinnisII: hope you mean Z-A smelty
PatrickMcGinnisII: not z-a
Japhy2112: Hey all, anyone use source control from the online editor?
Smelty: yep
Smelty: also, YES I DID IT
Smelty: turns out you didnt need to add any indexes afterwards
coldcatzzz: 666
Japhy2112: Using Chrome... assuming there is a source control plug-in out there? I have almost lost some good, err OK code.
gargert: anyone know how to make their own puzzles on the website?
gargert: well that suckes
Stormalix: yes!
Stormalix: just go to community -> contributions
Stormalix: then press create :))
Alex-1: gargert
Alex-1: :point_up_2_tone2:
gargert: alright thanks alot
AllIghtyPushFromPainOftheAkatsuk: hi
BlaiseEbuth: Why people say me hi in the middle of the night?
Natanalel: why are you here in the moddle of the night?
Passifi: BlaiseButh don't know which part of france your living in but its not the middle of the night in europe :P
Passifi: night is when its dark outside :)
BlaiseEbuth: Outside? I don't know what that mean.
KiwiTae: maybe he is in the carabeans
Natanalel: in the beans
Passifi: Oh an imperialist oppressor, in that case they might said hy to force you to check your privlige
BlaiseEbuth: Somebody ping me to say hi at 5am.
Passifi: booty call ?
KiwiTae: BlaiseEbuth 5am is morning time
VizGhar: BlaiseEbuth say hi at 5am
BlaiseEbuth: You're a bird, you can't understand kiwi...
Passifi: yepp for Kiwi it's a matter of catching the worm or not
BlaiseEbuth: You forgot the dot VizGhar
jacek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GizTr6QLfc
VizGhar: I misinterpreted key part as well :)
BlaiseEbuth: babababababababbb mamamama!
Stonechat: awa
Name.___________________________: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/OeJ-BaM-wti-lK5
BlaiseEbuth: -> #escape
Date____________________________: hi
Passifi: ahhhhh I really can't seem to wrap my head around doing bfs stuff -_-
dreadylein: why ? :)
dreadylein: which part is making you problems ?
Passifi: I think I understand it in theory but when I try to implement it for a concret example it always ends up super overcomplicated ^^
BlaiseEbuth: That's a matter of practice. After some time you'll write bfs without even thinking.
dreadylein: agree :) just stick through it, it will get easier
dreadylein: if you allready did it a bunch of times and it still ends up complicated, it can help to write it down beforehand
dreadylein: just write down in broad strokes the single pieces and how they have to work together
Passifi: so I tried to do the labyrinth puzzle for example and then I sit there and build a little data structure with nodes to connect so I go through each part of the map and connect everything that has a '.' (means you can go there) but then I think about how to find the shortest path through all the connections and it just seems like I have to iterate over everything to do so and well then nothing is gained ;)
Passifi: yeah I guess its just one of these problems where i can't really visualize the solution well and then i always run into trouble ;)
Passifi: but thinks for the motivational input I'll just bash my head against the wall a little longer :)
dreadylein: you wont iterate over all :)
dreadylein: just until you see your target node
dreadylein: i guess that what you allready meant :) just wanted to clarify
jacek: bfs? use queue [solved]
VizGhar: Blaise is right I came here not knowing those algorithms... BFS and DFS are now extremely simple to write for me.
VizGhar: and if you find something complicated break it into small fully working parts
rtghhjgh: just now im trying to solve labyrinth too. i can not understand how to do right steps to open hidden area and find "control room" ?
VizGhar: try to reach unknown cell
Passifi: well thats the miracle of learning you think you can't do it then it clicks and you don't know how it was hard. The sad part is even knowing what I've overcome in the past it still always feels like this time my mind is at its limit for sure ;)
VizGhar: if you try to reach closest (BFS/floodfill) unknown cell every move, you will never reach it (since it gets uncovered) but you will explore whole map
Passifi: yeah that was my approach too. Not sure but I think when the map is still covered in fog there really is no better way then randomly exploring ? I think the real challenge is making sure you take the shortest way back
Alex-1: hii guys
dreadylein: hey
lazystick: hi
Passifi: hola
lazystick: hola
rtghhjgh: if i see "control room" i can do pathfinding from current step to "cr" and after from "cr" to starting position.
Alex-1: Guys just promoted to wood 2 in Coders of the Caribbean
Alex-1: :smile:
lazystick: :clap:
Alex-1: thanks
Alex-1: lazystick
VizGhar: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0c40441d-36b3-437d-b817-cc3f76969115
Alex-1: can anybody help me with ghost in the Cell Wood 2 to Bronze
VizGhar: have you tried forum?
Alex-1: forum
Alex-1: no
Alex-1: can you link it
Alex-1: VizGhar
lazystick: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ghost-in-the-cell-puzzle-discussion/2644
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
lazystick: ┻━┻
alsenda: Is there a way to change your company logo? Mine's outdated
Marchete: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: alsenda I would contact thibaud on discord or email cg
Alex-1: the logo is nice
Alex-1: alsenda
rtghhjgh: VizGhar, you wrote "get to closest #". may be you mean to closest "?". cause "#" is wall.
rtghhjgh: so if i move to the closest "?" on every turn, is it guaranteed that i find contol room ?
VizGhar: rtghhjgh tes and yes
VizGhar: *yes and yes
rtghhjgh: thanks, man
VizGhar: read the forum as well -> here is my post: https://forum.codingame.com/t/the-labyrinth-puzzle-discussion/59/76?u=vizghar
Code_Guy123: nHr?
Code_Guy123: how to calculate?
VizGhar: ?
Code_Guy123: how to calculate nHr?
Code_Guy123: like nCr is n!/(r!(n-r)!
Code_Guy123: )
Esdeathmylove: the question is simple like answer
Esdeathmylove: doesnt exist
abt8601: There's a formula for nHr in terms of nCr
Coder_prabhat: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i have some working bot
Coder_prabhat: DetoBot
CEE-JAY: hi
Alex-1: hi
Alex-1: Automaton2000 you have DetoBot
Automaton2000: still on the list of possible moves and pick the best move from the list
CEE-JAY: dont grab
Alex-1: CEE-JAY hi
CEE-JAY: hello
Alex-1: hi
Alex-1: Astrobytes
jacek: :thinking:
Astrobytes: why the ping?
BlaiseEbuth: Can you stop pinging people randomly Alex-1 ?
Alex-1: Okk bro
Astrobytes: Since I'm not talking I'm most likely busy, so don't unless you need something important.
BlaiseEbuth: Don't call me bro.
Alex-1: i say okk to you and bro to Astro
lazystick: lmao
VizGhar: do moderators get more then visual notification?
BlaiseEbuth: Don't call him bro.
BlaiseEbuth: Notifs for what ?
Alex-1: why
BlaiseEbuth: Basically 'cause he's not your bro?
Alex-1: ohh he is moderator that why okk
BlaiseEbuth: Meh
Alex-1: :no_mouth:
FlexYourJS: are they rebooting servers that build code?
FlexYourJS: *currently
FlexYourJS: i'm getting #510
Secret_sister2: (.づ◡﹏◡)づ. who wants free huggies?
BlaiseEbuth: Please observe barrier gestures in public chats. Thanks
Astrobytes: Slow servers are just Blaise mining souls again most likely
BlaiseEbuth: Shhht... Astro! :rage:
Astrobytes: :P
Cubix: ^^
Après, je n'ai aucun soucis sur d'autres niveaux
BlaiseEbuth: Bad chan Cubix ^^
Cubix: Yep, saw that too late $$
Astrobytes: :grin:
BlaiseEbuth: Erf. Seems they've found my Hell backdoor... :(
Next time I will affect Cerberus to it. Time is souls.
Astrobytes: hahaha
BlaiseEbuth: חתול טיפש
Astrobytes: Oi!
Illedan: Servers slow?
Illedan: I guess I should disable my Doge coin mining in all my bots
Astrobytes: Yeah, Blaise was mining souls, you're mining doge coin, who knows who else is mining what :P
BlaiseEbuth: That's a fruitful alliance. He corrupt the souls and I harvest them.
Astrobytes: Sounds workable
euph0ria: a question from a noob.. in code clashes.. seems like everyone is using pythong because it's dense.. for the short code challenges using kotlin and having to import a few things kind of makes it impossible to win, any thoughts on this?
BlaiseEbuth: First don't do clashs, second don't use kotlin.
euph0ria: please elaborate
BlaiseEbuth: Hmmm... Clashs are just speed competitions and will not teach you anything. (Except for shortest, but it's limited to the more compacts languages so meh)
Astrobytes: pythong? Underwear for snakes?
BlaiseEbuth: -_-
BlaiseEbuth: And about kotlin... I mean, it's kotlin right. :smirk:
BlaiseEbuth: You're such a troll Astrobytes. Why are you still moderator...
lazystick: :o
Westicles: Funny, almost everyone comes here to do clashes, asks a question, and are told by the appointed reps that they shouldn't do clashes
BlaiseEbuth: That's a slow process of mass education.
Astrobytes: And after re-education, some still just want to clash, some explore further. That's win-win.
1rdin: i have no idea what to do
synchoz: as a noob that did clashes untill now should i just do the Practice area to to get faster education :o ?
JorgeBernal: hey guys
we are doing the first scape room but are stuck on a part and there is no hints has anyone done it before
Astrobytes: Clashes are supposed to be for fun synchoz, so yeah, you'd probably learn more in the Practice section tbh
Astrobytes: *just for fun
BlaiseEbuth: 'fun'
euph0ria: hehe
Astrobytes: Yeah, fun is ofc subjective.
1rdin: guys how am i supposed to get 2 from 0 0 ?
SeZuo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fc44f745-c957-4496-9765-9db19a836f9c
BlaiseEbuth: Adding 2 ?
synchoz: thx hehe, untill now i thought clashes would help me in the education area but good thing i see the chat :X
joniebear: Clashes ARE good for learning if you don't care about winning them...
euph0ria: yeah, that's what I will do with Kotlin.. since python will beat all always
euph0ria: i just want to learn kotlin, don't care about winning.. except when I win, then I'm happy hehe
BlaiseEbuth: People are stranges...
euph0ria: and besides, who wants to code using underwear for snakes
Astrobytes: joniebear: most of the clash problems aren't particularly educational, the puzzles have a bit more depth to them (there are exceptions ifc)
Astrobytes: *ofc
Astrobytes: euph0ria :rofl:
joniebear: How is "more depth" translating to "more educational"?
BlaiseEbuth: If you want to learn deep things?
Astrobytes: Right. Let me put it like this: what will you learn from a clash that wants the shortest version of n*n?
Illedan: Anyone else has problems with the visualizer in Oware when dragging the timeline?
BlaiseEbuth: Illedan... Oware? Go clash now.
Astrobytes: The visualiser's always been a bit funky in Oware tbh, and takes about a day to load.
lazystick: well, good luck everyone in upcoming contest : p
Illedan: Clash? What is this?
Westicles: I'm surprised the hoi polloi like escape. I only did one, but it seemed kind of tough
SeZuo: shortest n*n : Depends on language. For instance : which spaces are deteminant ? Do you need that parenthesis ? Gives you better understanding of the synthax
Astrobytes: hoi polloi, lol. Well, some are easier than others
struct: just checked console
struct: so many errors
RoboStac: Illedan - the only thing I've seen is the animations don't play so you get states after seeds have been removed but before they are put back
Astrobytes: struct: Amazons: draws are not possible...
Illedan: Yeah, but I struggle to see the final results RoboStac
Illedan: Since that last animation wont play
struct: There are no draws AStro
RoboStac: yeah, it's the same reason
struct: Or are there?
RoboStac: just drag it and click play :)
struct: Unless I have a bug
Illedan: Doesn't work everytime :P
Astrobytes: if you need the end then scroll as far as you can then press your right arrow key
joniebear: I will learn how to do n*n in my language. I will learn about alternative options to do input and output and do calculations. Not all of them would be "better" in general, but I would learn about their existence and how to use them.
RoboStac: hmm, in fact that just restarts it - drag it and go forwards/backwards once
struct: Astrobytes is there a game that ends in a draw?
Illedan: Oh, the arrows helps in this one. Never used them. thx
Astrobytes: Otherwise you're left thinking 'why did x win when we both have y score?' then discover they gathered 18 seeds :P
Astrobytes: struct: don't worry, just me being slow. Forgot about the mirrored game
struct: I guess amazons will also be a NN battle after a while
Al_ir_eza00: hello guys
Al_ir_eza00: whats up?
nan_00: hello guys
nan_00: any good c programmers?
BlaiseEbuth: Nope
BlaiseEbuth: Anybody here is bad
BlaiseEbuth: In every language
nan_00: ohh
nan_00: why you are saying that
nyquo: you can still ask I guess :)
BlaiseEbuth: You asked, I answered
nyquo: I mean ask baout your c problem
nyquo: I know a few things about c, I may have a bit of answer, we nether know
BlaiseEbuth: Is there a c problem?
nyquo: I guess so
nyquo: anyway
BlaiseEbuth: He did'nt say that
nyquo: that's right
nan_00: so its a little bit advanced
nan_00: about heaps ? but not hard
BlaiseEbuth: "bit advanced" -> shifted
euph0ria: hehe
nan_00: thank you
nan_00: i came to the wrong place
BlaiseEbuth: For?
nan_00: nvm
BlaiseEbuth: nan_00 https://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh/
BlaiseEbuth: We never heard your question, so what are you waiting from us ?
synchoz: yeah we can allways try to help u or will say we dont know :o
BlaiseEbuth: When Automaton2000 will be back, I'll train him to give that link... :thinking:
nan_00: ok thank you @synchoz I've solved the problem .
Westicles: nan, you think that was bad, next time try asking about a D problem
BlaiseEbuth: I wanted to say AutomatonNN...
BlaiseEbuth: But Automaton2000 seems to be dead too...
Astrobytes: Nothing bad will happen if you discuss your D problems here.
BlaiseEbuth: Anyway. That will be great: "eulerscheZahl is there a way to https://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh/" :3
ZarthaxX: sheez astro
Astrobytes: What?
KnakyBall: Hey i cant find my friend on coders strike back, but he has same league level than me ... Anyone know why ? Plz :D
struct: Can only find them if they are in top 1000 of the league :/
KnakyBall: ... Seriously ? That's not cool ... /(
KnakyBall: :(
struct: yes
Digginwings: wow
BlaiseEbuth: Fix your CSB
Digginwings: its really you
struct: yes its me
KnakyBall: CSB ?
Astrobytes: CSB == Coders Strike Back
KnakyBall: oh ok
Digginwings: struct your game makes no sense to me
Astrobytes: Most games end up with some acronym or another
ZarthaxX: sheeeeez astro
struct: Its not my game
struct: I just ported it
BlaiseEbuth: clacos zarthou
Digginwings: ok
Astrobytes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_the_Amazons
ZarthaxX: wot
struct: Blame Argentina
ZarthaxX: cant believe what you did astro, shame
Digginwings: But how the you win
struct: invented in 1988 by Walter Zamkauskas of Argentina
Digginwings: how do u win
ZarthaxX: argentina is always the problem struct , agree
struct: Digginwings be the last person to move
struct: so you need to trap your opponent
Digginwings: how can i be last if i always start first
BlaiseEbuth: Firsts gonna be the lasts. That's known
Astrobytes: You run out of places to move to ie. you get blocked in
Digginwings: ok
struct: its a hard game
struct: lots of papers on it though
Digginwings: ok its pretty good though
Astrobytes: You want to maximise your available territory and minimise that of your opponents, essentially
Digginwings: oh so big brain it
BlaiseEbuth: As a cat you have some tips on that Astrobytes ? :3
Astrobytes: Of course BlaiseEbuth. Not applicable to Amazons though :P
BlaiseEbuth: :(
Astrobytes: I don't think there's a 'pee in the corner' move unfortunately.
Astrobytes: Hm. New multi idea :thinking:
Astrobytes: I mean, the move would be called 'mark territory' ofc
ZarthaxX: AstroBan
BlaiseEbuth: "What in upcoming leagues? Spray..."
jacek: spay?
Astrobytes: Catch bird, fight, yowl, purr... I can see it now
Astrobytes: Ah. That could be a god move
Astrobytes: One spaying per game
Astrobytes: anyway, off to the shop, afk for a bit
Trist0214: Quick question, with the activity "There is no Spoon" Im getting an warning saying i didnt read all available input - been doing this since default
but i still get it correct and im pretty sure im reading all the info
how can I debug this?
Should i try capture and display more inputs than necessary or?
KiwiTae: Trist0214 if you win anyway it doesnt matter take the badge
orangesnowfox: You might be outputting to stdout instead of stderr- note that I won't be able to respond further
Trist0214: hmm, im using c# so normal Console.WriteLine()
Trist0214: Kiwi, the problem is it works with the example and some of them but im getting weird errors for the rest
Digginwings: does anyone know javascript
BlaiseEbuth: Some people do
Trist0214: nevermind, found my problem for the errors, fixed it and everything works
still getting that warning but as you suggested ill ignore it
KelvinAndHubbles: I get that warning on like half to almost all my codes, never really cared that much about it, it wont bite
Trist0214: ahh first time seeing it
KiwiTae: anyway in thereis no spoon u dont need to read input after first turn
jacek: true programmers dont care about warnings :v
Trist0214: used to warnings in yellow,
i read everything in red xD
KelvinAndHubbles: true programmers ignore errors
Trist0214: lmao
KelvinAndHubbles: why spend a day fixing bugs when you can spend a minute typing try and except
KiwiTae: im using thus trick to "solve them"
- pragma warning(push, 0)
About: Hello. The D language compiler has broken today. Should I wait, or can I write to someone?
jacek: try discord
jacek: there was (will?) some loanguages update
KiwiTae: prob failed langage update
jacek: some nnue doc reading https://github.com/glinscott/nnue-pytorch/blob/f6a2e30d9393a7a8e62f0e3f8bfeecdf84b373c0/docs/nnue.md
Marchete: will you do it?
Marchete: I don't think that's for tiny NN
Marchete: I mean
Marchete: most of the time all will change
Marchete: but I'm not the best to discuss about NN :confused:
jacek: no, just another nnue explaining with more technics
Marchete: I was just seeing the base65536, I don't know but charcount is higher than base32768, at least on CG codegolf
Marchete: and these two are overly complex to my taste
Marchete: like you need a lot of lookups to encode and decode
Marchete: about NNUE "With some int16 and int32 sprinkled where necessary. Floating point is not an option for state of the art engines, though it is used by some others."
Smelty: o.o
Marchete: so float is old school no?
Marchete: now*?
Marchete: damn
jacek: im still using floats :(
jacek: they use SIMD with int8s int16s because theyre faster
Marchete: I imagine, I read some about int8 and looked more complex than floats
struct: storing weights in int8
struct: ?
Marchete: quantization
Marchete: not only storing
Marchete: but using it for inference/prediction
jacek: also operating on 32 int8s at a time via avx
Marchete: btw your JacekMax with heuristics worked pretty well
jacek: oO
Marchete: but as I have no **** idea about NN I can't make it any better yet
Marchete: well I mean 12th-15th range
Marchete: for me it's good for my heuristic
Marchete: so I keep it as another search algorithm
jacek: what was before
Marchete: a bit lower
jacek: lower than 12?
struct: which game?
Marchete: like 15th-18th
jacek: thats higher :v
Marchete: lower in leaderboards
jacek: before was alphabeta?
Marchete: high scores == :point_up:
Marchete: low scores = :point_down:
Marchete: negamax, yes
Marchete: TT caching, etc
Marchete: and I probably had bugs, but overall it seems to work fine
jacek: jacekmax is eval-type agnostic. it generally works better against 'plain' alpha-beta
jacek: plain meaning basic move ordering TT etc. no quiescient search, sophisticated pruning or extensions
jacek: at least in very low time control
CodingPrograming101: How do I code lol
Marchete: yes, I find alphabeta more finicky about pruning, ordering, etc..
imed.derouiche: hello :)
Kitkat260: hi
Calmlands: Hi
Kitkat260: how r u
King_Coda: Marchete why did you follow me?
Calmlands: feeling lazy :D
Kitkat260: feeling tired
struct: c++ updated :scream:
Marchete: because I see you a couple of day around here
King_Coda: It did???
Marchete: days*
Kitkat260: ?/
ZarthaxX: lol
King_Coda: Marchete: Understandable
Marchete: you need to code some multiplayer bot King_Coda
ZarthaxX: you also see me here Marchete, where is that follow
ZarthaxX: :C
King_Coda: Still learning C#, so not yet
Kitkat260: same
Marchete: CSB is easy
Kitkat260: how
King_Coda: why aren't my messages sending?
King_Coda: weird
King_Coda: There you go ZarthaxX
King_Coda: have a follow
ZarthaxX: thankkksss
King_Coda: BRO
ZarthaxX: take it back :)
King_Coda: those last 2 messages I sent 3 minutes ago
ZarthaxX: Marchete wiiiiiiiii
King_Coda: "There you go ZarthaxX"
"have a follow"
King_Coda: what is up with chat
struct: python updated to 3.9.2 nice
King_Coda: chat delay is huge today
Uljahn: still no numba :(
VizGhar: wait for May 6th... you will see even bigger delay :)
King_Coda: yaayyyyyyy
VizGhar: kotlin no update :(
Westicles: heh heh
Westicles: Haskell : 8.4.3 (no update), too complex to update
VizGhar: :D noice
Westicles: My old Dart code still works, not sure what is supposed to break
VizGhar: Wow dart is at version 2.12? this can be good choice too (at least for language achievements)
VizGhar: Well dart is going sound null safety road
Westicles: Oh, onboarding doesn't work. Just my system call ones still work
VizGhar: hmm?
Westicles: for dart
VizGhar: let me try
Westicles: strings don't work any more or something
CodingPrograming101: How do I code?
VizGhar: Mine code works
jacek: delete system32
VizGhar: o.O jacek you will kill somebody
King_Coda: Type <doctype> <html> a href="Codingame" target="https://www.codingame.com/home" /a
struct: "Error: A value of type 'String?' can't be assigned to a variable of type 'String' because 'String?' is nullable and 'String' isn't."
VizGhar: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4c0a6df6-ea6a-4cac-9ac1-fe5c1975ec7d
Westicles: yeah, they added a string definition to the default code to fix
VizGhar: ah... those newlines
VizGhar: String enemy1 = in.next();
VizGhar: this one works
struct: yeah but default code doesnt
VizGhar: i clicked refresh and it's just fine...
Marchete: g++10? great, my bots will start failing
Westicles: new default code works, old doesn't
struct: my new default doesnt work
struct: what
Marchete: anyways I was sending with clang++9 in many cases
VizGhar: :D LOL. not sure how can there be inconsistencies
struct: ah it does now
struct: it was like this the first time
struct: stdin.readLineSync()
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/55cf8561-ea0b-483e-8e27-bddd2ac6e73b
VizGhar: never seen stdin.readLineSync() looks strange
Marchete: I dislike String? s; definitions, in all languages
RoyDebugger: ghfgh
RoyDebugger: fdhf
RoyDebugger: fgds
VizGhar: https://api.dart.dev/stable/2.12.4/dart-io/Stdin/readLineSync.html
RoyDebugger: s
RoyDebugger: sg
King_Coda: No gibberish spamming
VizGhar: readlineSync returns nullable String
VizGhar: and dart 2.something is null safe
struct: your warning was too late King_Coda
struct: You didnt save him this time
BlaiseEbuth: struct! You banned my bot! :rage:
King_Coda: Darn, struct. I tried. Perhaps he will learn from his mistake.
King_Coda: :rofl: BlaiseEbuth
Therabidpanther: howdy fellas
King_Coda: Howdy Therabidpanther
Astrobytes: y no C++ 20
struct: sorry blaise
struct: its still not released
struct: iirc
Astrobytes: I'm just trolling
struct: oh it was published in december 2020
King_Coda: Good morning Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Yeah but it's still under-adopted struct
Therabidpanther: #boycottASCIIArt
BlaiseEbuth: Don't care about the version number, just hope that the stack trace will be back.
jacek: heap trace?
Astrobytes: last RAIC used C++20, they like their bleeding edges
Astrobytes: Good early evening King_Coda
King_Coda: whats wrong with ASCII art?
Westicles: Marchete, how do you use clang? From bash?
struct: nope BlaiseEbuth
struct: its still broken
BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: meh
Astrobytes: Typical
Marchete: yes
Marchete: I've installed it, and send binaries
BlaiseEbuth: A major version of g++ is not enough
Marchete: but in some cases
Marchete: I find that clang errors are more clear than both g++ and Visual C++
Westicles: It seems to be faster in some cases as well
Marchete: yes
BlaiseEbuth: Will always be clearer than no error msg at all...
struct: not hard to be faster than msvc
jacek: make code without errors [solved]
oechlacite: :joy:
Marchete: they do give errors, but very cryptic and about some external library
BlaiseEbuth: That's what i do. But I think to the others....
Marchete: I code in VS, good IDE
Westicles: struct, I meant clang++ faster than g++
Max_Bekh: salut les sauces
jacek: :scream:
BlaiseEbuth: Stoi la sauce
Therabidpanther: once i lose my license to intellij, should i go to VS?
struct: which language?
Therabidpanther: mainly java
struct: unless you mean vs code
Therabidpanther: i do
struct: vs code is nice
BlaiseEbuth: Vampire Scythe
buyyakhoo: visual studio code nice
Therabidpanther: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/paper-soccer is this as complicated as i am making it? lol
struct: ask jacek
Therabidpanther: @jacek
struct: I honestly have no idea what search people use there
Astrobytes: SAme
Therabidpanther: oh, i didnt even realize jacek contributed it lol
Hjax: hi everyone
struct: hi Hjax
Astrobytes: goodness me, a wild hjax appears
jacek: :tada:
Hjax: i might have started playing league of legends during the last contest
Hjax: and then... didnt stop for 6 months
Astrobytes: :D
jacek: Therabidpanther any question?
Astrobytes: These things happen Hjax
struct: Which rank did you achieve Hjax?
Hjax: im silver currently lol
Hjax: i can climb to gold at least
struct: Nice
Therabidpanther: just lost where to start jacek lol
BlaiseEbuth: This cat is more elegant than you Astrobytes
Illedan: You have to change your bio from SC2 then
struct: I was around diamond 2 when I quit, I left on season 6 or 7, cant recall
Hjax: oh thats pretty good
Astrobytes: And much older than me too BlaiseEbuth
Therabidpanther: im thinking of getting started on lol
struct: if you play support or mid you can get plat
jacek: and i see reBless is online
BlaiseEbuth: Na. I don't trust you. He play competitive games.
jacek: what happened
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: Hjax is younger but his cat is older than mines
Astrobytes: Indeed jacek
Hjax: yeah my cat is 19 years old
Hjax: he was like 16 in that picture though
BlaiseEbuth: Old cats makes better drones.
Astrobytes: Serve the hive!
BlaiseEbuth: Astrobee
Hjax: anyone know what the new contest art is referencing?
Astrobytes: Other than 'the new contest' no :P
BlaiseEbuth: Rototo
jacek: some weird people say it is made in abyss :unamused:
struct: I know :)
Hjax: lol, i love made in abyss, but it doesnt look like it to me
Hjax: the last few contests seemed to reference somewhat obvious pop culture things
Hjax: zelda, pacman
BlaiseEbuth: Seriously Oo
BlaiseEbuth: Totoro dude :cry:
jacek: its not obvious eh
BlaiseEbuth: It is
Hjax: oh i never saw that movie, thats why i was asking
Hjax: true does look similiar
Hjax: ive only seen Spirited Away and Howls Moving Castle
jacek: me neither though i know it from pictures
struct: Its yoda from star wars
jacek: nowadays i know most about anime from memes
struct: This is why im saying its csb remaster
Westicles: No reasonable person can deny the artwork was based on this
Westicles: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/5355251/my-neighbor-totoro-aruite-sagaso-totoros-dondoko-g
Hjax: jacek i feel like your avatar has rotated like 45 degrees since i was last here
Astrobytes: I haven't seen Totoro but I knew the reference, Spirited Away was epic
jacek: :innocent:
Astrobytes: And flipped
struct: Its either Totoro or yoda
Astrobytes: Yoda :rofl:
jacek: or mlp
struct: Well I have no idea what it is then :/
BlaiseEbuth: darude sandstorm
struct: I tried everything
struct: maybe its another moba?
Astrobytes: Maybe it's based on Predator but with cuddly little things
struct: oh no
struct: botc 2
struct: :scream:
BlaiseEbuth: A fluffy pcr
BlaiseEbuth: with fow
Astrobytes: Naturally.
struct: 100%
BlaiseEbuth: BREW TOTORO
struct: as long as its 3d im happy
Astrobytes: 3D FOW Totoro racing battles
Astrobytes: Battles fought using RPS
Hjax: i see a pretty long discussion on the forums about ai hiding
jacek: hm?
Hjax: imo the simpliest fix would be to let the owner of a bot see games from when they are tested against in IDE
Astrobytes: That's a very old thread that had some recent activity after a semi-private contest
struct: I agree Hjax
Astrobytes: The RAIC model works
struct: But its not a permanent solution
struct: I can test a bot and make it break after a certain hour
Astrobytes: But people still hide in RAIC
BlaiseEbuth: The point is cg don't care, so move on.
Astrobytes: Though it's risky.
Astrobytes: It doesn't bother me.
Hjax: what is RAIC / the RAIC model?
Astrobytes: If it's going to be a thing, it's a thing.
Astrobytes: Russian AI Cup Hjax
Hjax: ah, and how do they prevent hiding?
BlaiseEbuth: KGB..
Hjax: lol
struct: you really cant prevent it
Astrobytes: You can see all your arena matches, all the matches you've tested against whoever, and all the matches where whoever tested against you
struct: Unless you stop allowing play my code in ide
Hjax: yeah that seems fair to me
Astrobytes: But people still hide
jacek: whats wrong with hiding
Hjax: if someone wants to test in a vacuum and have no benefits of actually testing against real opponents
Hjax: thats on them
Astrobytes: If the platform allows it then it's fair
Hjax: they may find their bot isnt as good as they think it is
Astrobytes: I always hide, even after the contest :P
struct: im hiding right now
jacek: i forget to unhide in contests and end up in bronze
Astrobytes: My bots are so well hidden even I can't find them
Scarfield: xD
Westicles: Seems weird that you can play people in the IDE in the first place. Just get rid of that option
jacek: oO
Illedan: *Only allow to play submitted versions vs others in the IDE
jacek: :unamused: https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2021/04/29/facebook-joins-rust-foundation/
Hjax: the othello leaderboard has grown quite a bit since i last looked
Hjax: my rust mcts seems to have held up shockingly well
jacek: it was potw in the meantime
BlaiseEbuth: And so what jacek google was already in
jacek: perhaps is sustained during books war
Astrobytes: Now play Amazons
BlaiseEbuth: MBH
BlaiseEbuth: to be short
Hjax: is amazons the newest bot programming game?
jacek: eeyup
Hjax: 12 in arena lol
struct: :'(
struct: I was aiming for 6k players this time
Astrobytes: It's only 2 days old
Westicles: tryangle only up to 47
struct: How much does chess have?
jacek: 92, before potw it was 50 something
struct: how many completed the potw?
jacek: chess move generation is quite complicated
jacek: dunno, 4-5 new people in wood1?
struct: Othello still holds the record then
BlaiseEbuth: Too many multis and multis change into solos...
Astrobytes: Not a case of too many multis, just no way of ordering/categorisation other than the tags
BlaiseEbuth: A 5% consideration...
Astrobytes: 'Board Game', 'Physics', 'Other' at the very least would be helpful
Illedan: Just create a 3rd party webpage where I can paste my nick/playerId and find all submits the followers in the last week
Illedan: *from the people I follow
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah... "board game" represent something like 98%
Westicles: Seems like you need legend to get people interested
jacek: so most community
struct: Maybe westicles, I dont know how uttt got so many people
Astrobytes: Westicles: They will only open 'proper leagues' if you get 'unspecified' number of users
Astrobytes: *players
BlaiseEbuth: NaN
Astrobytes: There's valid reasons for either way
Astrobytes: *arguments
Astrobytes: jacek: they should have played it on CG perhaps
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/29/draughts-match-nearly-triggers-diplomatic-incident-between-poland-and-russia
Chikennugget: hi
jacek: Astrodraughts CG is 8x8, international draughts is 10s10
jacek: 10x10 even
Astrobytes: Yeah I know...
Astrobytes: It was kind of a joke
jacek: oh
Astrobytes: We should have international on here anyway
jacek: then do it ~
BlaiseEbuth: nothing is impossible
BlaiseEbuth: yesterday you said tomorrow
Westicles: Hmm. So the East slavs all hate each other, and then the West and East slavs hate each other. What about the south?
Secret_sister2: ineed help with the descent coding puzzle
Secret_sister2: i need*
jacek: whats the problem
Hjax: WAIT
Hjax: THERES CHESS
Astrobytes: Yes. It's Fischer Random though :P
Hjax: sorry amazons
Hjax: i was hoping chess would get added for a whle
Hjax: while*
Astrobytes: It's 960 to keep it interesting and mitigate books
Hjax: seems reasonable
Hjax: oh nice you can force classical with seed, thats nice
Astrobytes: Yeah, there's lots of great options. It's very well made.
Hjax: not surprised, looking at who made it
Astrobytes: Indeed. He did an excellent job on it,
King_Coda: oh great
King_Coda: just found out that they're going to have to knock me out when I get my teeth removed
King_Coda: yaayyyyyy, i just love being unconcious, it's always been my dream to be unconcious yayyyyyy
Astrobytes: we did say this was likely yesterday
Hjax: i was awake when i had my wisdom teeth taken out
King_Coda: Yeah, well my teeth are still in my jaw
struct: I thought it was an american thing
Hjax: most unpleasant sound ive ever heard
King_Coda: the roots of my teeth are growing into my sinuses
Hjax: ow
King_Coda: so yeah, they kinda HAVE to knock me out
Astrobytes: This was happening to me too King_Coda. The anaesthetic is worth it for that.
Astrobytes: And you won't feel half as bad as I did after mine.
Astrobytes: Anaesthesia is a little better these days.
King_Coda: I just hate the idea of being unconcious
Astrobytes: You won't mind. You'll be unconscious :P
jacek: every night..
BlaiseEbuth: KO! Finish him... Fatality!
Hjax: yeah i was about to say, you must hate sleeping
King_Coda: falling asleep is different
King_Coda: being knocked out by chemical gas is completely unrelated
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: Babality!
jacek: actually do you really get unciosnous anesthesia at dentist? in here it is only local
Astrobytes: Oh you get gas still too?
Astrobytes: They do yeah jacek
King_Coda: Actually, I think it's an IV now.
Astrobytes: I had gas, the hangover from it was The Worst
Hjax: ive only had it through an IV
Hjax: no real hangover or anything
Hjax: felt like i fast traveled honestly
Astrobytes: IV anaesthesia is a lot less nasty
King_Coda: It's not so much the being unconcious, it's the what they're going to do to me while i'm unconcious that scares me
Hjax: boom im in the next room
King_Coda: I hate the idea of not being awake while something is happening to me
Astrobytes: Don't worry about it.
Astrobytes: Worry about evil attackers with chloroform, nto your dentist.
Astrobytes: *not
King_Coda: Hahaha :rofl:
King_Coda: Thanks Astrobytes
jacek: chloroform works really slowly
Astrobytes: This isn't Floyd The Barber or anything
jacek: movies make it seem quick, but its not
King_Coda: Yeah sure, just like fast traveling
King_Coda: No, it takes about 60 seconds for chloroform to start working
Astrobytes: There are a number of inhalants that can work a lot faster yes
**jacek noted
BlaiseEbuth: "OK! All sewed up! ... Hmm... Nurse? Have you seen my ring somewhere?"
Astrobytes: Which... uh... ring
Hjax: emergency rooms are obsessed with counting things for that reason
Hjax: to make sure nothing is forgotten
Astrobytes: Not just ER
BlaiseEbuth: "OK. Everything is fine! But you gonna laugh! I forgot my ring in your sinus! Ahaha!"
King_Coda: Pffffffff
Hjax: i can probably reuse some of my othello program for chess
Astrobytes: You laugh, my mum got septicaemia from a swab left in her abdomen after an op and almost died. Like literally at death's door.
Hjax: yikes astro
King_Coda: damn Astrobytes, thats a yikes
jacek: othello is quite different fromchess eh
Astrobytes: Yeah, I was only about 13-14 at the time. Was terrible.
Hjax: it is, but sliding piece attacks in chess are calculated in a similar way to othello captures
Astrobytes: But these things do happen.
Astrobytes: You're gonna be just fine tho King_Coda
Astrobytes: Just gonna have a sore jaw for a bit
King_Coda: Hah, I can deal with that
Astrobytes: Depends how you do them Hjax but yeah that's one way
jacek: i once had lingual nerve injury. at first i felt she missed with injection and injected straight to tongue
Hjax: i havent touched rust since i did othello
Hjax: i might be..... rusty
Hjax: ill escort myself out
King_Coda: :expressionless:
Astrobytes: :P
BlaiseEbuth: :crab:
jacek: :no_mouth:
King_Coda: :rolling_eyes:
King_Coda: :clap:
Astrobytes: jacek: have you had the 'under the tongue' local anaesthetic injection?
jacek: yes
King_Coda: ouch
King_Coda: that sounds :head_bandage:
Astrobytes: For me that was the only thing I found hard to deal with.
BlaiseEbuth: :scream:
jacek: afterwards it was numb and constant pain for 3 weeks, that slowly faded within 6 months
King_Coda: You guys had it rough, i'm just gonna get an iv
Astrobytes: Thankfully my dental assistant was cute and used to hold my hand throughout it.
Hjax: lol
King_Coda: Hahaha, Astrobytes had a crush on his dentist?
Astrobytes: God no, his assistant
Hjax: python 3 at rank 8 on chess, higher than the highest rust
Hjax: that seems backwards
jacek: sounds cheesy
King_Coda: :couplekiss:
BlaiseEbuth: :cheese:
Astrobytes: Chess isn't exactly straightforward
King_Coda: Actually wait, Astrobytes you're a cat right?
BlaiseEbuth: Go forth and die
jacek: its only 50ms, at this point you can do some heuristics and be high
Astrobytes: King_Coda: not irl
BlaiseEbuth: What!?
Hjax: i wonder how many nodes stockfish can do in 50 ms
Gemer0987: What are yall ncoding
BlaiseEbuth: You lied to me
King_Coda: Astrobytes and his dentist assistant: :heart_eyes_cat:
King_Coda: :heart_eyes:
King_Coda: :couplekiss:
Astrobytes: She was hot! What's a young lad to do
King_Coda: :rofl:
Lachrymosa: open up, turn your head this way, spit
jacek: that was anesthesia talking
Hjax: lies, Astrobytes is definitely a cat
Astrobytes: Hssss
Lachrymosa: *belly rubs*
Hjax: source: am cat
King_Coda: :joy:
King_Coda: I love this chat
jacek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGOofzZOyl8
BlaiseEbuth: *cat
Astrobytes: Which one? Me or Hjax?
Astrobytes: Blaise gets it
BlaiseEbuth: I'm not a cat your honor !
Lachrymosa: krk
Lachrymosa: kek even
King_Coda: Lol Blaise
Astrobytes: krkr could have worked in this situation Lachrymosa
Lachrymosa: ㅋㅋㅋ
Astrobytes: also hi btw
Lachrymosa: Hi :3
King_Coda: hai hru?
King_Coda: haiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
King_Coda: hruhruhrurhurhurruhruhruhruhruhurhurhr
Astrobytes: *hii
Lachrymosa: greet(*)
King_Coda: Every time someone types "hii" I always think of the Wii, so in my head I pronounce it "he" not "hi"
Lachrymosa: Even funnier for Hii U
Astrobytes: In the UK we always thought the Nintendo Wii was gonna be a toilet simulator
King_Coda: WHat??
King_Coda: Hahahahhahaha, toilet simulator? Not the most unorthodox thing I've heard, but certainly not the least
Lachrymosa: From the makers of Goat Simulator... Toilet Simulator, it's a crap load of fun!
Hjax: in british english "take a wee" means to urinate
Hjax: i think is what astro is getting at
Lachrymosa: or an adjective for small if you're a bit more Northern :3
Astrobytes: Yes
King_Coda: Oh, clever!
Astrobytes: to both
BlaiseEbuth: The wii u is something that can be called a console error.
Astrobytes: I'm Scottish, wee means small or a pee
King_Coda: I'm gonna take a wee wee using my wee wee
Astrobytes: So going for a wee wee
Lachrymosa: and a small piss is a wee wee, which is what an American child calls their dick :V
Astrobytes: Yes I know
King_Coda: *Neurons Activated*
King_Coda: *Synapses Firing*
Lachrymosa: Language is wild man...
King_Coda: *Preparing Response*
King_Coda: *Processing...*
King_Coda: lol
King_Coda: *Process Complete*
Lachrymosa: My wife's first language is Korean and she forgot the English word for a jacket's hood, so she used the Korean words translated and called it a Jacket Hat. I now call it a jacket hat because its cute :3
Astrobytes: Hey, it works right? :)
jacek: Automaton2000 are you there
Lachrymosa: felicity is key
Astrobytes: He died jacek
King_Coda: Well, a jacket hood is indeed a hat
Astrobytes: Absolutely Lachrymosa
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g18ALmN908k
Hjax: automaton died? i wont mourn it
jacek: Astrobytes alright, posted in discord
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: I cut the grass in my garden last year and only afterwards did I notice a big snail that rode around on top of the lawnmower the whole time.
King_Coda: Let us take a moment of sufficiently loud continuous volume to mourn the passing of Manual1000
BlaiseEbuth: ^^
Astrobytes: I called him Adrenaline Snail
Astrobytes: Presumably he's still in the shed somewhere
BlaiseEbuth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_(film)
King_Coda: Oh no
King_Coda: Not that movie. Anything but that.
jacek: ?
BlaiseEbuth: Have'nt saw it
King_Coda: Don't.
Hjax: apparently the rust update broke my othello bot
Hjax: it doesnt compile anymore
BlaiseEbuth: Just remember the snail
jacek: resubmit then!
Hjax: lol
King_Coda: Just Don't. For your own mental health and well being.
BlaiseEbuth: What mental health?
Astrobytes: Your health that went mad
King_Coda: :thinking:
Astrobytes: 'mental' is a slang UK term for crazy or mad
Hjax: they changed how many arguments the random range function takes lol
BlaiseEbuth: gastrobytes
King_Coda: :grinning::point_up:
King_Coda: Gastrobytes
Astrobytes: Yes, GastroBytes has been done due to the cheffing history
jacek: cheffing history of britain? whats that
King_Coda: :rofl:
Astrobytes: cheffing history of AstroBytes
Hjax: they didnt happen to add a way to compile release in IDE did they
Astrobytes: Isn't it in release mode?
King_Coda: Hjax: Perhaps this will help?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/how-to-set-debug-and-release-configurations?view=vs-2019
BlaiseEbuth: microsoft docs :rofl:
Hjax: im using rust King_Coda, codingame builds in debug mode when you play in IDE
Hjax: which is sloooooow
struct: not anymore
struct: its release on ide too
King_Coda: Ohhhhhhh, I forgot about that little detail
Astrobytes: ^ is what I thought
Astrobytes: That and C# now in release mode in IDE
Hjax: if thats the case, then im very confused why my othello bot has zero rollouts lol
jacek: heavy rollouts?
Astrobytes: When was your last contest Hjax?
struct: maybe it changed with langauge update?
Hjax: no, very light rollouts
Hjax: uh, i looked at the fall challenge briefly, and then got distracted and didnt give much of an attempt
Astrobytes: So your last proper one was PacMan?
Hjax: yeah
jacek: Automaton2000 still dead?
Automaton2000: antisquid are you in a while
jacek: :c
jacek: c:
Astrobytes: Hm, when was the update struct?
jacek: AutomatonNN what about the frog
struct: Debugging enabled
Hjax: i know i used to get over 100k rollouts first turn in othello
struct: ffs
Hjax: now i get 10k
Hjax: so something is different lol
Astrobytes: Wait what - they *reintroduced* debug mode in Rust?
struct: ok its on debug mode again
Hjax: LOL
struct: on ide and release on arena
struct: I just tested
Astrobytes: FFS :rofl:
Hjax: AND RELEASE?
struct: on ide is debug
Hjax: oh
Hjax: im blind
struct: sorry
struct: on arena is release
Hjax: ic
Hjax: ok ill submit and see if it works lol
Astrobytes: wtf, they have to fix that, discord it struct
Westicles: I wonder if lots of bots broke
struct: I posted on bug-report
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/replay/541122022
King_Coda: Go struct, I summon you to fulfill your oath.
Hjax: i need to resubmit anyway, dont want my bot instantly losing every game lol
King_Coda: it's 3 minutes to 12 and I know I should eat lunch, however I woke up very hungry this morning so I ate a big breaky. But now I'm not that hungry for lunch.
struct: at least C# seems to be on release mode
Lachrymosa: Banana!
Hjax: so they unfixed it when they updated?
Hjax: i guess?
struct: I think so
Astrobytes: Yep
Astrobytes: Hey - at least it's Thursday!
Astrobytes: And not the day of the contest or the weekend
Hjax: guess im glad i came here a week before the contest lol
Astrobytes: Right!
King_Coda: I guess I'll just force myself to eat.
King_Coda: Anyways, when is the next contest (after the spring one)
Astrobytes: Fall.
Lachrymosa: I'm excited for this competition :3
King_Coda: I should have learned everything I need by the time fall rolls around.
Astrobytes: Pass me that sht Lachrymosa
Lachrymosa: My goal is to get into high silver, that would be a personal best since pod racing
Astrobytes: I'm trying to get excited but I can't.
Hjax: i think ive finally learned not to be excited
Astrobytes: I'll either get excited when I see it or I won't.
Lachrymosa: I don't actually code for a living though, just SIEM definitions and queries
Hjax: pac man made me sad, potion game wasnt very interesting to me
Astrobytes: I don't code for a living either Lachrymosa
Lachrymosa: I wanted to be better at potion game but I've never successfully done simulation/board state evaluation
Lachrymosa: Astrobytes what do you do then? You're so good :V
Astrobytes: Start with a simple game like straight up TTT, not ultimate, and build on that
Astrobytes: Lachrymosa: Pharmaceutical regulatory affairs
Astrobytes: Biology BSc, cell biology MSc
Lachrymosa: neat :3
Astrobytes: I'm winding it down, the particular area I work in is almost dead due to Brexit.
Hjax: i think the king of "i dont code for a living" here is smits
Astrobytes: Was thinking of trying to get into software testing
Hjax: he makes quite a few people who do code for a living (like me) look like complete amateurs
Astrobytes: No, Smits is now a qualified CS teacher
jacek: hes just old boomer
jacek: booker*
ShannonNorris97: Has anyone done the mountain map puzzle? I've finished it and its printing the right answers, but when I test it it says found: nothing
jacek: the descent?
ShannonNorris97: No, it's literally just called mountain map
Hjax: thats still "teaches for a living" rather than "codes for a living"
ShannonNorris97: It's a community one
Westicles: Shannon, you probably have an unneeded newline at the end
jacek: Hjax you mean "If You Don't Know It,Teach It!"?
Astrobytes: It's a little more 'in the arena' though Hjax :D
Hjax: thats fair
King_Coda: I would like to code for a living. Being a game dev sounds awesome.
ShannonNorris97: yeah I thought the same Westicles, but when I print it using repr to show the newlines there aren't any
jacek: it says found Nothing or expected Nothing?
Hjax: game dev is a hard job to get
ShannonNorris97: found: nothing
UnnamedCodinGamer: King_Coda it seems that it is quite a dirty job, judging by reports from others
UnnamedCodinGamer: basically everyone wants to be a game dev and the companies take advantage of you
Lachrymosa: Would someone be willing to assist me with my "OH DUH" moment in "Dwarfs Standing on the Shoulders of Giants" puzzle?
ShannonNorris97: I got it now, it didn't like me printing it by looping through the array, even though it printed in the exact same way. So I just changed it to formulate it all into one string
UnnamedCodinGamer: crushing working hours enc.
UnnamedCodinGamer: etc.
UnnamedCodinGamer: btw, solved search race offline only to find out that my "code size" is too large
King_Coda: ehhh
King_Coda: sounds fine to me
UnnamedCodinGamer: inform yourself if you need to make a decision
vocuzi: Hi there guys!
vocuzi: I am new here
King_Coda: indeed
Hjax: hello vocuzi, welcome
King_Coda: get a pfp
Lachrymosa: Welcome!
vocuzi: Got here after watching a clash of code vid on youtube
Lachrymosa: Neat, just in time for the contest next week too!
vocuzi: Woohoo
vocuzi: How do I get an invite for it ?
Hjax: just click on the contest on the homepage and hit join
Lachrymosa: You just go to the top of the main page, click compete, and sign up. It's free!
King_Coda: I deleted my invite email
jacek: oO
Lachrymosa: I'm not sure if CG is still giving out shirts for top prizes or not, but its never mattered much to me :p I won't be getting top prize this decade lol
King_Coda: ...because i'm not participating during spring
King_Coda: i'll be doing the fall one this year
vocuzi: Is the Spring challenge 2021, the one you talking about ?
Hjax: thats the one
jacek: yes
King_Coda: no
King_Coda: definitely not
Lachrymosa: The spring one is the one next week, the fall one has not yet been announced
vocuzi: aight
Lachrymosa: King_Coda is being cantankerous
vocuzi: you guys are uni students or what ?
King_Coda: indeed
WannaBeHum1n: tips on how to get out of gold in coders strike back pls ?
Lachrymosa: Various backgrounds, some public, some private
Hjax: i graduated a few years ago, software engineer now
Hjax: theres people who do all sorts of things here
vocuzi: I am in my final year of grad
Lachrymosa: grats ^_^
King_Coda: i love being cantankerous to new people
vocuzi: lol
King_Coda: welcome to the fmily vocuzi
vocuzi: it's cool as long as there are the cooperative ones
Lachrymosa: such a curmudgeonly fellow v.v
King_Coda: *family
vocuzi: Thank you king coda
Uljahn: also take a look at https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming to get the idea of contests in general, because they differ from clashes
Lachrymosa: ^
Uljahn: woah chat freezed
vocuzi: Thanks for the link, I will check it out
King_Coda: Chat is acting weird today
Uljahn: *froze
Astrobytes: Yeah it's been slow today
King_Coda: It posted 2 messages 3 minutes after i entered them in
Astrobytes: Also: King_Coda, still do this contest, just don't beat yourself up about not getting to x y or z position. Just do it
King_Coda: Are you sure? I'm still just learning Astrobytes
Astrobytes: The best way is to just jump in and try it
Astrobytes: Of course
Lachrymosa: *insert shia labeouf*
King_Coda: okay, if you say so
King_Coda: Just do it!
Hjax: oh yeah best way to learn is to try the contest out and do your best
Hjax: youll learn a lot along the way
Astrobytes: ^^^^^
King_Coda: time to go diggin through my trash
Hjax: plus there will be plenty of people in chat to give you advice
UnnamedCodinGamer: if you learn a few algorithms beforehand it might help
Astrobytes: Or advice you can pick up just by reading
Lachrymosa: lurkm0ar
Hjax: yeah people arent usually super tight lipped about ideas and strategies
King_Coda: It takes place exactly one day after my birthday
Hjax: so youll see plenty floating around
Lachrymosa: Just ask Maddy anything about coder's strike back and you'll get the tip that will take you into gold ez
King_Coda: MadKnight?
Uljahn: or search the forum
WannaBeHum1n: i need the tip
WannaBeHum1n: out of gold
WannaBeHum1n: pls
WannaBeHum1n: xD
Lachrymosa: yea lol, I just try not to summon him :3 lest he ask me what I am working on, and why it isn't the things he wants me to work on lol
King_Coda: Oh, MadKnight. What will we do with him.
Lachrymosa: Don't say it three times! It's like Beetlejuise
Astrobytes: Out of gold WannaBeHum1n? Write a reasonably accurate simulation of the game and use a search algorithm or use maths + physics.
Uljahn: two runners + simple simulation without collisions is enough i think
Astrobytes: Yeah, I think that's accurate
Lachrymosa: what variances do you throw in? Like you can't try all thrust values from 0-100 or every angle around the circle? How do you decide where the limits are?
Astrobytes: At least top 50% legend
Astrobytes: Depends on your algorithm/heuristics Lachrymosa
Astrobytes: Sometimes you want to discretize, sometimes you want to keep it continuous
Astrobytes: Minimax approaches to CSB for instance, you limit angles to -18, 0, 18, thrust to 0, 200 plus boost (or variations thereof)
King_Coda: I'm going to try and get 25,000 reputation on stackoverflow.com
Astrobytes: With something like a GA, it's going to be a smoother approach
WannaBeHum1n: can i get a name of a search algorithm
Uljahn: smitsimax
Hjax: A*
Astrobytes: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=search+algorithm
Lachrymosa: kek
Astrobytes: And read carefully
King_Coda: Astrobytes getting a little cantankerous
WannaBeHum1n: the thing is
WannaBeHum1n: google
WannaBeHum1n: gives u a ton of them
Wendys: well
WannaBeHum1n: and u dont even
Wendys: you wanted the name of one
WannaBeHum1n: know
Astrobytes: Not cantankerous at all
Wendys: so i don't see the problem
WannaBeHum1n: the slightest idea
WannaBeHum1n: about them
WannaBeHum1n: which one
Wendys: you can google the algo name after
Wendys: smh
WannaBeHum1n: do u pick
WannaBeHum1n: to learn
WannaBeHum1n: about
Wendys: that's a u problem
Uljahn: learn them all, their number is finite
WannaBeHum1n: well i was thinking maybe someone would give me an advice
Astrobytes: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=search+algorithms+for+games
WannaBeHum1n: or where to start
WannaBeHum1n: or smth
WannaBeHum1n: thnx
WannaBeHum1n: a lot
Astrobytes: No really, for the questions you asked, just google those terms
UnnamedCodinGamer: WannaBeHum1n, maybe a better approach for you might be to see what others have used and then google if needed
Astrobytes: I gave you a great hint with the latter if you want to do multis, but I'd strongly recommend checking out the former in some detail.
UnnamedCodinGamer: when you get a bit of experience you will know which algorithmic direction to go for the specific task
Astrobytes: ^
Wendys: clash of code is nice
jacek: huh
Wendys: y e s
struct: oh didnt notice dbd r was first on othello
Illedan: Optimization game in packing the opening book? :P
struct: nah, its still his old bot
struct: He got pushed
Hjax: i never figured out why my best heuristic for othello was the most simple one
Hjax: my only eval is mobility, adding any other terms without fail made it worse
struct: no idea, I didnt even play the game
jacek: i recently submtted multiple times and pushed dbdr
jacek: he was lower in the rank because of the book wars
Astrobytes: ^
Hjax: probably a consequence of my depth 1 rollouts somehow
jacek: his bot is objectively the best
Astrobytes: oldjohn vs msmits
Astrobytes: I think oldjohn said his bot was the best naturally playing bot
Astrobytes: ie. non-booked
jacek: then why doesnt he prove it :f
Astrobytes: said dbdr's bot was
struct: he means dbdr was
Astrobytes: ^
jacek: ahh
jacek: stupid english
jacek: i wonder how ai would interpret that sentence and context
Astrobytes: Yeah. I know
jacek: Automaton2000 any hint?
Automaton2000: not sure what that means
jacek: exactly
Astrobytes: Even it doesn't get it
KING_OF_CODING: i need help
Astrobytes: Cal lthe emergency services.
Astrobytes: *call the
VizGhar: or plumber
VizGhar: or if you need our help, simply ask
wemat: what is the purpose of this chat?
jacek: to spam
wemat: :grin:
VizGhar: some are more successful then the other :)
Astrobytes: VizGhar: If you want the whole statement (ie. if anything changes between wood levels and bronze) just hang around in chat for the first hour of the contest
Astrobytes: If the repo isn't already up that is
struct: i will understand the statement in less than a min
jacek: who reads the statement these days
Astrobytes: 5%
Astrobytes: Or 8 out of 10 cats, can't remember
Hjax: now i hear jimmy carr laughing in my head
RicardoJKA: Hello Guys I am a new cod in member and what are some advice you can give me to get better at programing. # bigginer
Astrobytes: AH HAW HAW HAW
Hjax: the man has quite the unique laugh
Astrobytes: That he does
RicardoJKA: :poop:
jacek: do easy puzzles
KING_OF_CODING: need help
KING_OF_CODING: i m sory fohelp fastr aasking but i need
jacek: :thinking:
Astrobytes: What's that Skippy? KING_OF_CODING's fallen down the well?!
Astrobytes: tsk tsk tsk SKIPPY
Astrobytes: Aw not you too Skip
KING_OF_CODING: please help
Astrobytes: Sorry, Skippy's down there with you too dude. Gonna have to send Lassie and give Flipper a call
KING_OF_CODING: need help
struct: Just say what you need help with
King_Coda: ?
UUolfo: Oh god Astrobytes is a mod? We're all doomed.
King_Coda: Astrobytes has been a mod for a fat minute
King_Coda: Well, today has been a rather unproductive day
UUolfo: Right, I can see he earned it based on the helpful advice he gives people (not including this guy)
UUolfo: fair, fair.
Hjax: ?
Astrobytes: Oh, is this another banned account jumping into chat under another name
UUolfo: ^ Fair, don't ban me please dad.
King_Coda: How could you tell?
UUolfo: Wait, me? naaaaaa just saying you destoryed that kid with your laugh lol
UUolfo: he seemed so young, or at least was a baby programmer
Astrobytes: The AH HAW HAW HAW was in response to Hjax' Jimmy Carr comment.
King_Coda: ^
UUolfo: ^ fair, i'm an idiot, didn't read prior context
UUolfo: I'm sure you're great astro <3
Astrobytes: :expressionless:
Scarfield: xD
King_Coda: :no_mouth:
Scarfield: if you feel doomed UUolfo, wait till you meet blaiseButh
Astrobytes: Hellfield
Scarfield: purgatoryBytes
Astrobytes: Scarferno
UUolfo: Are these all mods? or just the rough ones?
struct: yes, I never banned anyone
Astrobytes: Pardon me?
Scarfield: dumb nicknames we give eachother
Astrobytes: Scardante
Scarfield: AstroInferno
UUolfo: ah lol, god i'm burnt today.
Smelty: (o.o)
Astrobytes: Infernastro
Scarfield: Mods here are fair, judging one from a joke is not though ;)
Scarfield: InferiorAstro :thinking:
King_Coda: AstroTights
Smelty: oh my
King_Coda: AstroShites
Smelty: AstroField
Astrobytes: AstroTights?
Astrobytes: And that's Shytes btw
King_Coda: It's a new product line i'm making
Scarfield: wow new nickname buffoons xD nice
Astrobytes: Yeah but they lack context
Scarfield: AstroField is quite nice though
struct: Java has some weird syntax
Astrobytes: That was done months ago
Scarfield: java, or astrofield?
Scarfield: xD
struct: 0b1111 then they have 0B1111 and then also have 0B1111L
struct: wtf is this
struct: Who created this
Astrobytes: DO NOT attempt bitwise manipulation in Java unless it's your first time manipulating bits
struct: im porting amazons to bits
Scarfield: i hope they are all the same, but 0B1111L is a long?
Astrobytes: In fking Java?
struct: yes
struct: ultra fast referee
Astrobytes: People were actually kidding about the referee speed
Astrobytes: The referee speed doesn't matter much unless we're talking graphical modules etc
Astrobytes: afaik
King_Coda: He can code, he wears tights
King_Coda: but most importantly
King_Coda: he AstroFights
Scarfield: could hardly be slow enough to have a noticable impact? unless the referee sorts valid moves with a search
Astrobytes: Men In Tights reference eh
struct: I do string comparison to check if move is legal :)
King_Coda: What? Come on, I took 62 seconds to make that joke!
Astrobytes: I suspected from the first mention of tights
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: Can someone help me with a Python question?
Scarfield: ask away, dont ask to ask
Scarfield: :)
King_Coda: AstroRuinsMyJokes
King_Coda: :angry:
Astrobytes: Robin Hood Robin Hood grindring through the glen, Robin Hood Robin Hood with his band of men
Roxxx: @struct what do you mean weird syntax
King_Coda: Astrobytes should start a cooking channel called AstroBites
struct: Roxxx its just a bit strange coming from c++
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: When manipulating user input like - 12345 - to add dashes inbetween chars like - 1-2-3-4-5, I know that we can run something like:
print(uInp, end=' -')
struct: Like Vector with uppercase and stuff like that
King_Coda: I'm sure there's a Scottish Food Niche on youtube you could get into
Roxxx: @struct oh ok that's understandable, don't use Vectors in java tho, they are legacy stuff
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: However, the output becomes: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/988dc791-f80b-4709-b78f-22e05d0c2205
Astrobytes: I don't generally partake of Scottish food King_Coda
King_Coda: Darn. I tried guys.
Scarfield: xxk1ng0fh3artzxx my_str = my_str[:-1]
Scarfield: this will remove the last char in the string
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: Do I place that before or after the print() function?
Scarfield: basicly, from start to (end - 1)
Scarfield: print(my_str[:-1])
Scarfield: should work fine
Scarfield: or place it before printing, since you want to print the string AFTER removing
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: So something like:
print(uInp[:-1],end='-') ?
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: Would placing it before remove the last digit and just place the dash at the end?
Before: 1-2-3-4-5-
After: 1-2-3-4-
Scarfield: hmm never tried the ulnp, but you want to remove the last "-" after the ulnp call
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: Ok, I'll test it out. Thank you so much!
King_Coda: ...Does he know that https://www.stackoverflow.com exists?
Scarfield: that could be phrased a lot nicer.. we all started somewhere
Scarfield: and np xxk1ng0fh3artzxx :)
Astrobytes: Remember King_Coda: relevant and specific questions get answers
Scarfield: ^
King_Coda: Well... yeah.
Astrobytes: Otherwise they're directed elsewhere
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: Thank you for the help as well, King_Coda. :)
King_Coda: :flushed: Th-thank you xxk1ng0fh3artzxx
xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: I'm brand new at this, so any help and advice is welcome.
King_Coda: Of course. We've got a lot of people here willing to help :nerd:
Scarfield: im off, gn all
struct: gn
Butanium: gn
Uljahn: xxk1ng0fh3artzxx: why not just "-".join(list(str(num))) ?
Astrobytes: gn sleepfield
UUolfo: When I run one or more testcases at once, it'll just keep spinning forever. Is this a common issue or just my awful internet?
UUolfo: *not all the time, just once in awhile
struct: gn scarfild
struct: its probably the servers
UUolfo: fair, ty
karimk123: wassup ois
karimk123: bois*
Japhy2112: Hi all, does anyone use a source control plug-in for the online editor? I just lost some meh code and it angers me.
struct: I usually just code localy and then use cg sync to send it to the ide
harelref: yo
harelref: what's going on
harelref: I'm looking for a hacker
Japhy2112: or if I could code in my local IDE and then somehow synch....
Japhy2112: lulz... imma check cg synch!
Roxxx: i keep timing out on the weekly puzzle grrr
Japhy2112: tyvm
Japhy2112: I was timing out in the weekly puzzle until I got rid of RegeX
Japhy2112: At keast timing out on the last test
Japhy2112: *least
struct: also if you press submit, cg saves the code
struct: you can check history
struct: if you have submited
Japhy2112: whoa! cool thanks again
struct: yw
Roxxx: @Japhy2112 how are you keeping track of occurences,
Roxxx: i made custom Pair class
Roxxx: and then put them in a list
Roxxx: actually Map<String, List<Pair>>
Roxxx: now when i'm checking for duplicates by comparing index i keep timing out
Dhill2300: im stuck at Power of Thor - Episode 1
Japhy2112: Roxxx, sent you a PM
Uljahn: Dhill2300: but it's impossible with all those hints on the left
Roxxx: Dhill2300 Power of Thor is literally 10 lines of code, would not be any fun with the hints trust me
codiaywdga: coders strike back is not easy on ai it is not easy
hyphz: Now how the heck peopel have golfed Power of Thor is another matter
Astrobytes: gn all, cya's tomorrow
Astrobytes: Uljahn: your mod icon has disappeared again?
Uljahn: yep
Uljahn: and tutubalin's is in place
Uljahn: also maddy's
Uljahn: weird
Uljahn: im off too, gn
struct: gn
gamerboy15: hello
gamerboy15: i'm new
Smelty: hello
Smelty: how do you do
Roxxx: Solved the weekly wooohooo, after an hour of checking my logic it turns out that i was timing out because of a slightly complex to notice infinite loop, so if you're having the same problem as me, watch out for that
icecream17: Is it possible to use Rust instead of Java for the codingame sdk?
struct: no
struct: only jdk languages icecream17
struct: or jvm
orangesnowfox: Technically you could do weird bindings, but no. No you cannot
struct: w/e is the term
code123456789101112: hi
j-cg: For the "Coders Strike Back" challenge, I am stuck on the section where they add collision between pods. Can anyone guide me towards a solution?
struct: is that bronze league?
j-cg: yep
struct: The easy way is to print nextcheckpointX - 3 * velocityX
struct: same for y
struct: and always go 100 thrust
struct: A way that requires a bit more coding would be to store the checkpoints after the first time you pass them
struct: And start turning to them when you are close enough to the next
j-cg: Ahhh, cool, I'll give that a shot. Thank you.
gamerboy15: i ne3ed help
gamerboy15: how i can go on test 2 when the first one is correct
gamerboy15: its just showing me this
gamerboy15: Standard Output Stream: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4cc6eac6-88e9-48d5-84be-4d178a015c0a
gamerboy15: Failure
Found: Maison de la Prevention Sante
Expected: Cimetiere Saint-Etienne
struct: you gave the wrong answer
gamerboy15: but it showing the first test is correct
gamerboy15: how i can transfe on second test
gamerboy15: transfer*
struct: Well your code needs to find the correct answer
gamerboy15: okay thank you
struct: They give you the list of cities for every test
gamerboy15: yeah
gamerboy15: ty
GamerBot3000: is there a console where we can see outputs, not just the test results?
Alex-1: ii
Alex-1: hi
Notter: Wdym GamerBot3000
coldcatzzz: 666
