Roma_Shteyninger: Hi guys, tell me where to see what problems I have solved?
Crypticsy: Hey! could you guys review my contribution? It's always one short from being approved
https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/60377ec4cd0c7daea3edf9a699d0e72a4983
Nanosplitter: Crypticsy I’ll take a look
om_margaj: hi
Rival819: im taking a free C# class on Codecademy.....then coming back here hehe will understand a lot better its already awespme what I have achieved learning
Rival819: im bronze 33 in CSB
Rival819: from no knowlede
Rival819: knowledge, so now will be back in force
Rival819: hehe
Rival819: im learning concatenations and interpolations of text atm
Rival819: :)
Rival819: well almost done that part actually
orangesnowfox: AntiSquid... I suddenly am really tempted to re-implement my code in c++ to see if it goes faster
orangesnowfox: But I'm *tired* right now, so I have to convince myself I really don't want to
DragonNinjaA: what are puts
GilbertGaming27: Gilbet
ANONYMOUS42: i would like to join your cult
evaporatetranslator: hi
ANONYMOUS42: hi
Nuggs: GIBLERT
davilla: man I can tell when these puzzles are going to take a while, why do I still dive in?
davilla: difficulty level doesn't correspond to how much work, necessarily
derjack: depends what you know now
derjack: graphs-related stuff has more difficulty yet its easier for me than i.e. string manipulations
davilla: well do you know how to rotate a rubix cube?
derjack: probably not oO
davilla: not solve, just turn one of the sides
davilla: total nightmare
derjack: depends how inputs outputs are organized
davilla: well there was a trick to it, and everyone else's solution was really cheesy
davilla: now I'm doing the harder rubix
AmineEmi: hello every one
derjack: good morning
DaNinja: ohayo
Rakotoo: I m stuck at Mars Lander 2, could you help me?
AntiSquid: kumbawa DaNinja
DaNinja: kombucha Squid-san
AntiSquid: oh it's konbanwa
AntiSquid: or are both correct? i don't know anymore
PhantomMaster_8f0b: wesh la team
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: Good morning everyone
Shrimpster: Good morning to you too
WOLFRAHH: But here is afternoon
Shrimpster: Well its for your next morning then ;)
WOLFRAHH: :grinning:
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: hhhh it is the afternoon in my country too, but since i just woke up like an hour ago.. good morning felt like the right answer :sweat_smile:
derjack: oO
WOLFRAHH: oO
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: oO ?
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: Guys and Girls, any chance someone could explain to me the puzzle of the week? i don't even understand the logic behind the 2or5 => 3 :sweat_smile:
derjack: puzzle of the week?
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: yap this one : https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/nuggets-numbers
derjack: well they cant serve 3, because its 2, 2+2, 5, 5+2, 5+2+2 etc.
MACKEYTH: They can sell you any number of boxes 2 nuggets or 5 nuggets in any combination
MACKEYTH: But you can never buy exactly 3 nuggets using those amounts
MACKEYTH: You could buy 2 boxes of two, then eat a nugget, I suppose. ;)
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: so that would mean the min is 4 and the max infinity
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: and the answer is min -1
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: ?
ANONYMOUS42: not really
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: can you elaborate ?
MACKEYTH: You can combine positive multiples of 2 and 5 to create any number except 1 or 3
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: yap
MACKEYTH: The highest number you can't make is 3,that's the answer
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: ok
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: i get that so far, thank you for your help everyone
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: i will try my best to get the rest on my own
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: a+
jacek: sounds like coin change problem
LeonardoBorges: sounds like great common divisor :P
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: sounds like hell
MACKEYTH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZN26bjRY7g
el1oz: Hello, where can i find beginner level coding games?
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy
WOLFRAHH: you can play clashes el1oz
[CG]Thibaud: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy
[CG]Thibaud: wups Yassine_EL_HOSNI was faster ^^
el1oz: thank you very much guys. !!!
WOLFRAHH: or you can solve easy puzzles
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: clashes are not for beginners
el1oz: ar thesee puzzles in these links above?
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: clashes are hell
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: yes sir
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: or ma'am
WOLFRAHH: you can't say clashes are hell
N-ONE: i think clashes are easier than practice problem
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: dude they are
[CG]Thibaud: the timer can be stressful if you just want to take your time solving a simple puzzle
el1oz: sir! :D thank you guys, nice to have such good community
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: you are much welcome
el1oz: yes indeed. timer is stressful
MACKEYTH: @Yassine, you might also want to read about Eratosthenes' sieve
MACKEYTH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Eratosthenes
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: my first clash broke me to the point of leaving the codingame platfome for months
jacek: oh my
ANONYMOUS42: maybe start with easier ones lol
N-ONE: is this the prime factorization problem ?
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: thank you @MACKEYTH
el1oz: haha, same here. i started 3 months ago with c++ and i can't even do one clash :D
el1oz: i am very new to programming world :D
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: take it slow
jacek: c++ for clash? youre bringing knife to gun fight
el1oz: i am inlove with c++ and its only language i can understand for now.
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: what would you use jacek
WOLFRAHH: yeah for clashes ruby or python is good
[CG]Thibaud: JS too
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: js is life
AntiSquid: :D
AntiSquid: i agree
WOLFRAHH: anyways jacek can you play clash with me
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: el1oz try javascript
el1oz: is it good to know pythin with c++?
el1oz: i will try
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: @WOLFRAHH you have a death wish
el1oz: what is good JS for?
Hri7566: is array.prototype.forEach too slow?
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: everything
el1oz: is it more powerful than c++?
WOLFRAHH: yeah js is good i used python ruby or js to solve task to solve clashes in 3 language
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: https://betterprogramming.pub/which-is-the-fastest-while-for-foreach-for-of-9022902be15e
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: for @Hri7566
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: anyways i have to go, have fun everyone
WOLFRAHH: yeah or bye Yassine_EL_HOSNI
el1oz: by
el1oz: bye sir
jacek: c++ is fast; python is easy to write
WOLFRAHH: jacek is correct
el1oz: thank you @jacek
el1oz: oh one more question, is CodinGame totally free? or does it has subscription or smth?
AntiSquid: VIP feature allows you to ping AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: food was a position of the graphics
el1oz: @AntiSquid what is AutomatoNN?
WOLFRAHH: it is a chatbot
WOLFRAHH: el1oz
Mogeek1: I'm new hear can someone help me to become proficient
AntiSquid: el1oz type first few letters of a name and then press tab to complete the name, AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: error you can use it for the problem that the map is fine
Mogeek1: Can someone help me to become a geek
WOLFRAHH: hey Mogeek1 you can try solving easy puzzle
Uljahn: Mogeek1: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/55547/how-to-get-started-on-codingame
el1oz: @AntiSquid ohhh i see now. works same way as in terminal
WOLFRAHH: AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: what is the max of the point in this video ?
Mogeek1: which one i it
Mogeek1: The Descent?
Uljahn: The descent is good to start with
Uljahn: also The power of Thor ep.1
WOLFRAHH: yeah descent is goof
Mogeek1: I'm a novies here
WOLFRAHH: good
Uljahn: they have hints on the left side
[CG]Thibaud: you can search for the name of a puzzle in the search bar in header
WOLFRAHH: yeah or try to hit biggest mountains
WOLFRAHH: Mogeek 1 if you solving descent
Mogeek1: I'm at level 3
GilbertGaming27: Gilbert
2kpro: antisquid
2kpro: hello antisquid
AntiSquid: hi
AntiSquid: why ping ?
AntiSquid: 2kpro
2kpro: this is acualy joshau i lost my account
jacek: still, wy ping :thinking:
2kpro: what do you by why ping
[CG]Thibaud: by mentioning someone's username, you ping them
2kpro: ohhhhhhh
2kpro: ok i get it now
2kpro: sorry antisquid
AntiSquid: what happened to your old account though? lost your email ?
2kpro: yep i lost email some how
ill-be-waiting-outside: oof that sucks
kovi: wow, 5th uttt nice
jacek: :f
AntiSquid: :clap: kovi
AntiSquid: how much time did you spend optimizing?
jacek: i pushed him
kovi: i improved my mcts few weeks ago
but yeah jacek pushed me
2kpro: does anybody have a chicken nugget
2kpro: hello does anybody have a chicken nugget
AntiSquid: weird question to ask, and twice, do you want it with MSM meat ?
2kpro: what do you mean by msm
2kpro: i'll eat anything right now
2kpro: but not penuts
ill-be-waiting-outside: me to
ill-be-waiting-outside: i can't eat any types of nuts
2kpro: im elergic to penuts so i cant eat penuts
ill-be-waiting-outside: yea me too
2kpro: i wished i new what penuts tasted like
2kpro: but im elergic
2kpro: to then
jacek: it's peanut butter jelly time!
ill-be-waiting-outside: really:sweat_smile:
2kpro: :joy:
ill-be-waiting-outside: lol thats mean
AntiSquid: med mi rough
2kpro: hgvvgv
GilbertGaming27: Gilbert
ill-be-waiting-outside: is that all u say
jacek: dilbert?
ill-be-waiting-outside: not u
2kpro: is that all you say gilbert is gilbert
AntiSquid: maybe it's a timmeh reference ?
ill-be-waiting-outside: geez
2kpro: im eating me some ramen and im not like jonny 7 :ramen:
Hannnn: sup guys
2kpro: yo
ill-be-waiting-outside: hey
2kpro: who has animo
Hannnn: i have a cat
Hannnn: P:
Hades7: i have a dog
jacek: :scream_cat:
Mil27Coder: jelllo
2kpro: :-
ill-be-waiting-outside: i have three dog
Hannnn: you have three dog??
2kpro: i have 15 dogs
Hannnn: shush
ill-be-waiting-outside: yea
2kpro: why
ill-be-waiting-outside: its not that bad
2kpro: i just have 15 dogs is that a bad thing
Hannnn: must be very fulfilling to have
ill-be-waiting-outside: cuz one is mine one is my dad and the last one is my mom
Hannnn: 15 dogs for real?
GilbertGaming27: Gilbert
2kpro: yup i got 15 dogs
ill-be-waiting-outside: why
2kpro: because i like dogs
ill-be-waiting-outside: oh
2kpro: and plus i tought them to do back flip
ill-be-waiting-outside: wow really
2kpro: yup
2kpro: :smiley:
Hannnn: wo
Hannnn: :hushed:
jacek: UwU
ill-be-waiting-outside: owo owo
ill-be-waiting-outside: hey pupg can i get a
2kpro: but anyway i like to also listen rap music
2kpro: i mean i also rap
ill-be-waiting-outside: me to
2kpro: ay get your crop of my mop or ill feed you slop
2kpro: or ill trow out the pop
ill-be-waiting-outside: oh
2kpro: because i dont care
2kpro: if you stare
2kpro: at a bear
ill-be-waiting-outside: scared u mean
2kpro: im raping
ill-be-waiting-outside: oh
ill-be-waiting-outside: ok
2kpro: and slaping
2kpro: you get it
2kpro: raping and slaping
2kpro: :man_dancing:
2kpro: im on a roll with the fold
2kpro: and i hold
2kpro: 24 i go in the door
2kpro: 54
2kpro: 74
2kpro: im the door
2kpro: im done raping everybody
AntiSquid: too much spam, jokes too "eccentric" and require very particular taste, not suitable for this community @_@
AntiSquid: maybe you didn't lose your email? maybe you got banned? 2kpro
jacek: how can one 'lose' email
AntiSquid: by making a single use throw away email
jacek: like 10 minutes mail?
AntiSquid: register spam once and be done with it
GilbertGaming27: there should be protection against those emails
GilbertGaming27: a whitelist, of sorts
2kpro: um
2kpro: im sorry
AntiSquid: increase quality of jokes/trolling or abstain from chat
2kpro: im sorry
Uljahn: expecting quality from lvl3 user :relieved:
Rival819: this website really pushed me where I needed to be
AntiSquid: we have high standards here Uljahn
Rival819: forced me to go take a 30 hours C# class on Codecademy
Rival819: took me 3 days
Rival819: of sleeping and looking at screen
Rival819: but I learned a damn lot
Rival819: finally done with it
Rival819: now time to go make more exp :D
2kpro: im going to take classes to get better at coding
Rival819: do it its worth
2kpro: thanks
Rival819: I did this one
Rival819: https://www.codecademy.com/catalog/language/c-sharp
Rival819: if you are pro subscriber you can even make them Certificates
Rival819: but the class lessons are free
jacek: c# eh
Rival819: so I finished with no cert but can go back to them anytime
Rival819: yeh I did not have any language except from recognising them...
Rival819: so I learned C# straight aways
Rival819: still have practice to do anyway
Rival819: at least now I can correct and understand everything in it
Rival819: :)
Rival819: because seriously shit his hard when you start wit nothing
Rival819: here
Rival819: even class gets kinda rough near the end but they are stuff you will not always use or will learn in practice after learning them
Rival819: but the basics gets stronger
Rival819: :P
Rival819: you see differently ... slowly
orangesnowfox: jacek, better than Java at least
orangesnowfox: (but worse than Kotlin I think)
jacek: so, have you solved any puzzle after the class
jacek: or made multiplayer bot
Rival819: was already bronze in the CSB game, and tought I was understanding and that my code was good, but now I know it was nothing else then a good if loop
Rival819: that his the difference
Rival819: I did not try anything yet
Rival819: I just finished
Rival819: smoking a big one to celebrate then doing puzzles :P
Rival819: got 2 puzzle done
Rival819: or 3
Rival819: ut now I will know what im doing
Rival819: but *
jacek: :tada:
Rival819: my eyes are itchy though :alien:
jacek: why do java developers wear glasses? because they can't C#
jacek: :drum:
Rival819: Note to self:
string 30HourClass = ($" This class takes 3 days of suffering if you grind {self}");
Rival819: jacek :joy:
orangesnowfox: Rival819
> " This class takes 3 days of suffering if you grind Rival819"
Rival819: hahahaha
Rival819: indeed xD
lets_think: ??
kresteodymium: hi
kresteodymium: are all of you in college
AlfaisalJauhari: Anyone here play code of clash of code?
Unicorn123321: me
AlfaisalJauhari: k, do you usually share your code after u're done?
Unicorn123321: yes...
AlfaisalJauhari: nice
Unicorn123321: but the only highest score I have gotten is 55%
AlfaisalJauhari: i'm curious as to y some don't, wanted someone's perspective
AlfaisalJauhari: that's fine, there's always someone to learn from and always someone that can learn from u
Unicorn123321: :blush:
ahdernasr: h
Unicorn123321: hi
Unicorn123321: bye
2kpro: hi
ill-be-waiting-outside: hey'
Unicorn123321: :grinning:
2kpro: yo
jacek: kovi youre 6th after all ~
MarTiaNe: Hey, I can't use numpy in python ? Or I have to install it
wlesavo: you can just import numpy
MarTiaNe: It raises an error
jacek: you mean on CG or locally
MarTiaNe: CG ofcourse
jacek: what error
BlaiseEbuth: "Don't use python error"
wlesavo: just tried numpy code, worked ok
dbdr: PEBKAC error
MarTiaNe: In COC games
wlesavo: a lot of 999 is gonna come to NS huh
2kpro: what?
jacek: did he make the post mortem
MarTiaNe: I used it several times and it did not recognize that library
wlesavo: but an interesting read from marchete nevertheless
dbdr: gg Marchete
wlesavo: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-number-shifting/152425/49
Marchete: I use CG to learn from others
Marchete: and NS isn't even a challenge or multi or anything
wlesavo: yeah, i still feel there is more good than bad from sharing
Marchete: I feel good from sharing
Marchete: not a direct C&P
Marchete: all the setup is hard
Marchete: not like Ctrl+C on github Ctrl+V on CG IDE
2kpro: has anybody played csr2
dbdr: a bit of a climate crime to publish it when warm days are coming though ;)
Westicles: hmmm
wlesavo: green police
kovi: nice jacek
2kpro: :basketball: oh man i missed it
jacek: :soccer:?
2kpro: no not soccer
Westicles: "The code is INTENTIONALLY broken, it won't compile right out of the box. You need to fix the marked TODO's, if you know some C++ it can be done in less than 5 minutes"
Westicles: 5 minutes isn't much of a barrier
jacek: oh my
kovi: lol dbdr
maybe we should share results as well...just to save the planet!
2kpro: i wished i new c++ but im doing c#
Unicorn123321: hm.
Unicorn123321: bye
dbdr: kovi :D
alerinty: guys, i am noob with c++, but how can i debug my code?
jacek: on CG use cerr to print things
MSmits: jacek, I C# but sill need glasses :(
MSmits: still
jacek: do you? you dont even use generics
MSmits: you're saying generics will fix it?
jacek: eeyup
MSmits: thanks will try
Westicles: lol. there is only one TODO, and it is writing the output to a file
Marchete: are you mad about the sharing?
Marchete: I'm replying it
Marchete: but I don't see the problem
Westicles: Not mad... I just thought CG worked hard to keep solutions off github. Seems weird to deliberately do so
Marchete: as I say on my post
Marchete: I shared a LAHC solver 1 year ago
Marchete: that reached 330
Marchete: I haven't see a massive amount of players going lvl200+
Marchete: maybe xevi xevi
MSmits: I have 2 opinions about this
Marchete: also my old solvers were more a cryptominer than a solver
Marchete: like 70 vCPUs for 20 hours for a damn level 600+
MSmits: 1) I do consider it spoiling so that's not good
MSmits: but 2) I can learn from this
MSmits: and apply it to other things
MSmits: and that does make me happy
Marchete: I choose 2)
Westicles: Well, for example I might have made a run at 999 but won't now. Can't speak for others
Unicorn123321: i!
Marchete: I hate those papers that give a lot of mumbling
jacek: i dont mind. maybe it could more of pseudo code, but its alright
Marchete: but not real support
Marchete: they claim something that can't be checked
jacek: !
jacek: like mcts solver paper?
MSmits: papers with mumbling?
Marchete: like a lot of papers
MSmits: you mean no details?
Unicorn123321: !eyb
Marchete: they claim a lot of good things
Marchete: but there is no way to disprove it
MSmits: the D&B papers have tons of details, but they are mostly math papers
jacek: maybe you read the bible
Marchete: anyways test to recreate my code
Westicles: At least if you publish a bot contest CG can ban accounts that submit it, but offline there isn't an option
Marchete: maybe it's not that easy
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: guys what are you talking about hhhh
MSmits: so Marchete when are you going to improve your solver to use gpu
Marchete: CG stated that sharing was OK, except on challenges
Marchete: I thought about it
Marchete: but in the end I don't needed it
ReaListik: code conflict is very difficult : '(
hyphz: Wow, nuggets is hard :(
Marchete: I was happy that with a single CPU + tons of luck I can solve a lvl1000 in under 6 minutes
Yassine_EL_HOSNI: lvl1k of what hhhh
Marchete: and I never coded for GPU, I need to learn eventually
MSmits: i was kidding, but sure
jacek: so the number shifting became easier
jacek: its number capslocking now
MSmits: but jeez Marchete the times on your solver are insane
MSmits: If machine learning wasnt next on my list, I would be studying your code instead
Westicles: I guess just in the future consider that just because you are finished with a problem, others might still be interested in it so try not to spoil
Marchete: they are real, I restested lvls 200-600 while I was writting the postmortem
MSmits: yeah, you can probably run all 1000 levels in a few days
Marchete: yes
Marchete: It took like 40+ days for me
MSmits: I needed days just to get one of the early 200 levels done
AntiSquid: you have your postmortem ready ?
AntiSquid: :O
MSmits: this is why the quality of an algorithm is so much more important than the language it is coded in
Westicles: AntiSquid, he published the code
MSmits: if you did this in python, you would still beat any of our c++ implementations
Marchete: domain knowledge can boost anything a LOT
Marchete: like LAHC alone with bad mutators was sh*t
Marchete: ending on local maximums really fast
Marchete: slow convergence at starting, etc..
MSmits: by mutator you just mean a way to change a solution right? Like changing the order between two cities in a TSP
Marchete: yes
MSmits: yeah that seems pretty important
Marchete: something clever instead of random points
MSmits: right
Marchete: esp. on ending moves, permutations and merges
Unicorn123321: ok bye
MSmits: that's as important with good heuristics on a random mcts rollout
Marchete: but this is very specific to NS
MSmits: like not suiciding with a random yavalath move
MSmits: i will study it for sure
MSmits: not to get some easy cp for NS, but to see if i can use it for other games
MSmits: even if it is NS specific
MSmits: it has some generic traits too doesnt it?
MSmits: ways of approaching a problem like this
jacek: not suiciding is like decisive/anti decisive move in hex in other games, general enough
Marchete: it was about endgame accepting much worse moves
Marchete: based on remaining numbers
MSmits: ah ok
Marchete: if I'm at 1 number left I can go to 3 numbers left
Marchete: no matter what
MSmits: how do you mean?
Marchete: as long as 3 gives "diversity"
Marchete: it's in the PM
MSmits: ah ok
Marchete: just accepting worse moves on endgame
Marchete: without taking score into account
MSmits: do people still have to work through all the levels?
Marchete: yes
MSmits: ok good, less of a spoil then. At least it takes some work
Marchete: and on lvl932 the exporter fails
Marchete: it doesn't fit on stderr
MSmits: exporter?
Marchete: so you need to compress it, base64 etc etc
Marchete: extract level data from CG
MSmits: lol
Marchete: it doesn't fit on a single stderr frame
MSmits: nice
Marchete: took me 4hrs to notice...
jacek: like 2048, too many moves and it doesnt work
MSmits: never did 2048
MSmits: i dont do all the optims. I am just glad i solved bender 4
AntiSquid: is the top in 2048 trained offline?
MSmits: and my student did as well :)
MSmits: i just gave him a hint and he coded it himself, in js
Marchete: I need to learn about machine learning
jacek: hows MLP?
Marchete: seems that you are into that right now
AntiSquid: i beat mcsmitz at bender @_@ yay
MSmits: havent worked on it since i translated the xor to c++. But I know exactly what to do thanks to you jacek. Just need to find the time
MSmits: AntiSquid good job :)
AntiSquid: no table flips? euler gave me table flips
jacek: translation xor to c++: 1 xor 2 -> 1 ^ 2 [solved]
MSmits: AntiSquid I like to be beaten, gives me motivation.
MSmits: that came out wrong
AntiSquid: no, stay put, i want to keep my CP thanks :P
jacek: that also came out wrong
AntiSquid: your rank is a lucky number i am sure
MSmits: jacek, next i want to generalize the xor example to set up an arbitrary amount of layers with different size layers and use more inputs
MSmits: and I had a question. Can I instead of prediction loss/draw/win predict net seed gain in oware?
MSmits: as a single output number
Marchete: I remember I had some NN done in C++
Marchete: need to recheck
jacek: sure, why not
AntiSquid: i wonder if you'll eventually try kaggle MSmits, you can use ML libraries for python
jacek: though you probably want to scale it to 0..1
MSmits: it seems to fit well with my endgame db
MSmits: yeah the scaling
MSmits: I will need to do that
MSmits: i plan to train the bot in the 48-10 seed region and ignore endgame
MSmits: that could make it more efficient
MSmits: or not, no idea
jacek: i never trained for something other than win/loss though
MSmits: yeah, i have no idea if it'll work
MSmits: but if you do it based on net seed gain, you can ignore score
MSmits: so thats 2 less inputs
MSmits: just the 12 pits then
MSmits: combined with the loss of endgame training, it might make it better
MSmits: or easier to train, either way is good
jacek: so you have some board and the predicted output is 3. what would you do with that?
MSmits: you mean for training?
jacek: in game tree
MSmits: for gameplay i would just pick the move with the highest net seed gain
jacek: ahh
jacek: makes sense
vdick: hi
MSmits: for training it can be done the same way as you're doing with L/DW
MSmits: except i need to worry about scaling
MSmits: it's not a trivial problem because technically you can go up to +48 seeds
MSmits: but most net gains will be +1 to +8 or so
Marchete: I prefer to train on real ML frameworks
MSmits: what do you mean by real Marchete?
MSmits: do you mean existing?
MSmits: like tensorflow?
Marchete: tensorflow and similar, yes
Marchete: then export weights
jacek: you cant use those on CG :<
MSmits: were you able to do this Marchete?
MSmits: because if that were easy, i might do that too
jacek: but first you need write code to undestand those weights
MSmits: thats true
AntiSquid: others did it too, they wrote in chat about it
MSmits: really? Is that what re curse does?
AntiSquid: there's a function export weights
MSmits: and robo?
AntiSquid: you export weights and then for CG jsut code the forward prop
jacek: of course you can
MSmits: just coding the forward prop can get complicated with convolution I think?
MSmits: if you just do mlp it's eays
Marchete: I did it yes
jacek: oO
Marchete: at least on basic examples
Marchete: that test on tensorflow
Marchete: it gave the same output values
MSmits: maybe i should try that then. I really dislike the crap with all the python package versions though
Marchete: but just basic tensors
MSmits: thats really offputting
Marchete: why?
Marchete: and with AVX of course
MSmits: it took me hours to get some examples running and most i never got working
Marchete: convolution was hard
MSmits: stuff people shared
Marchete: I never achieved it
Marchete: basic tensors were as fast as tensorflow
Marchete: I'd recheck and share it
Marchete: it was nice
Marchete: and in C++
MSmits: if you want to share that would be awesome
MSmits: would make me happier than your NS wrecker
MSmits: (currently)
MSmits: My connect4 meta mcts has been going nuts lately, doing 10 games per second
Marchete: I need time
Marchete: it was just basic learning
Marchete: not alphazero
Marchete: yet
MSmits: well that's further along than I am
jacek: and what does it say now
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a683b43a-4a4c-4ad6-9ebd-48e5d70931b5
jacek: hmm i found something. i think they also use score for othello, not only winrate or policy https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3278312.3278325
MSmits: i focused it on move 1 because i wanted to know if it's a draw or not
MSmits: i still dont know if it is
MSmits: but it's going very very fast
jacek: oh and here i think they use mcts solver for a0 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3293475.3293486 how come a0 and the like don't already use the solver :?
jacek: very fast? that means close to the end
MSmits: well yes it is definitely very close to the end, but the number of endgame leafs is very large
ZarthaxX: MSmits learning ML for your studies or because you want to apply it on cg?
MSmits: so it might still take millions
AntiSquid: i swear i don't find the time to read everything linked in chat
ZarthaxX: who knows how they do
MSmits: ZarthaxX personal interest, applying on CG and to a far lesser degree, knowing what i am talking about during teaching
ZarthaxX: so mainly cg heh
ZarthaxX: good luck :)
MSmits: yeah, the thing is, i've kind of hit the limit of what i can do with meta mcts and regular bots for boardgames
MSmits: i mean i can cheese my way to nr 1 in most games without NN, but i dont want to
ZarthaxX: this will open many more options
MSmits: yes
ZarthaxX: i would love to learn that too but other things in the way that are also interesting
ZarthaxX: i guess once you finish uni and have a stable work you can do what you do hehe
MSmits: yeah always so many interesting things. Better have too many than none at all, i guess
ZarthaxX: btw, a friend that is obsessed with ML told me about this course, maybe it helps
https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs234/
MSmits: well thats exactly what i am at now, i need to finish my studies so i can do more ML :)
ZarthaxX: videos are on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgzM3zpZ55o&list=PLoROMvodv4rOSOPzutgyCTapiGlY2Nd8u
AntiSquid: you can find some of the ML algos rewritten without a library here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC58v9cLitc8VaCjrcKyAbrw mcsmitz
ZarthaxX: of the classes
ZarthaxX: MSmits good luck with all those smito :)
AntiSquid: geez, uni class videos take forever to watch
MSmits: thanks :)
ZarthaxX: anyway, those videos are RL related
MSmits: AntiSquid weren't you the one suggesting pytorch to me before?
AntiSquid: videos i linked are shorter
ZarthaxX: the topics are interesting
AntiSquid: yes, but if you want to code from scratch there's no point reading an entire god damn paper for it
AntiSquid: or more
ZarthaxX: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/43bb9930-430a-49b0-b10e-6b2f90b71ca9
AntiSquid: just look at code .
ZarthaxX: MSmits look at that lol
MSmits: eh, seems i just lack 2 and 5?
ZarthaxX: yeah well, but there are many others things before that
ZarthaxX: that's the end
MSmits: no doubt
KiwiTae: ZarthaxX o/
MSmits: though... is go really a good place to start?
MSmits: seems hard
ZarthaxX: this thing too
Playing Atari with Deep Reinforcement Learnin
ZarthaxX: hi kiwoooooooooooo
ZarthaxX: idk MSmits, maybe its baceuse of the recent boom with alphazzero
ZarthaxX: howdy KiwiTae
Unicorn123321: bye!
KiwiTae: doin okii doin som ocv
KiwiTae: its your latest course?
ZarthaxX: im not doing that
ZarthaxX: it's not from my country
ZarthaxX: actually im doing web stuff :rofl:
AntiSquid: she looks mexican too
MSmits: btw jacek, if you are going to try the score thing. Make sure you backpropagate extra seeds on oware on capture turns
MSmits: thats an annoying part of scoreless states
AntiSquid: woah ZarthaxX what web stuff are you doing now ?
AntiSquid: JS and friends or other ?
jacek: mhm
ZarthaxX: js yes
ZarthaxX: doing frontend and backend
jacek: no one wants to be friends with js
ZarthaxX: starting to get the hangs of things
AntiSquid: ok and what do you want to achieve with it ?
Visqosity: hi
AntiSquid: what stack are you aiming for ?
MSmits: what stack?
ZarthaxX: for now just doing some web restaurant menu so people order and that ends on a server
AntiSquid: have you looked at freecodecamp btw ? ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: was going to go with react on the front and node on the back using express, classic combination i guess
AntiSquid: stack refers to the tools you pick to use for your projects, for example MERN stack : mongodb express react node.js MSmits
ZarthaxX: em no
ZarthaxX: no database for now tho
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: i actually did a mongo db react tutorial :)
ZarthaxX: and express?
MSmits: dont think it had express
MSmits: it was a voting app
ZarthaxX: mozilla course?
MSmits: vote cat or dog :P
ZarthaxX: ah
ZarthaxX: nvm
ZarthaxX: lol :rofl:
MSmits: it wasnt even all that easy
MSmits: react is not my thing
AntiSquid: express simplifies some of the stuff for you zarth
MSmits: what the... he just wrote 6 lines of code and he's making a new file !?
MSmits: kinda weird coming from making 1000 line bots in 1 file :P
MSmits: I guess modularity in react is taken to extremes
AntiSquid: if you used nodejs you probably automatically added express
MSmits: maybe it did use that, not sure
AntiSquid: it's like the pragmas everyone tends to add to c++ and forget they are there
MSmits: yeah
AntiSquid: almost
MSmits: I got the tutorial from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEXcg8xu2y0 Bit of a weird guy
MSmits: but tutorial was ok
MSmits: not sure if this link is part of the tutorial
MSmits: I cant even remember why i even did this. Maybe this was the last experiment I did before finding CG?
MSmits: live before CG is a blur
MSmits: life
AntiSquid: oh he has a video on glitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q22u2d4pQc ... quick way to have an overview without setup headache :P
MSmits: never heard of glitch
ZarthaxX: i know express simplifies stuff, i dont know what other option exists anyway :P
AntiSquid: too many ?
AntiSquid: idk
ZarthaxX: like what
AntiSquid: i picked one thing and sticked with that most of the time
ZarthaxX: i meant for nodejs
AntiSquid: https://www.slant.co/topics/4307/~express-js-alternatives
ZarthaxX: never heard of any
ZarthaxX: i will stick with express
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
AntiSquid: alternatives to nodejs or express? @_@ if you want alternatives to node you basically change language ...
ZarthaxX: i know alternatives to using nodejs
ZarthaxX: i wanted to go for nodejs because i can share the js part in both front and back
ZarthaxX: and because i wanted to learn it anyway
AntiSquid: ya so did you check freecodecamp then ?
ZarthaxX: nopr
AntiSquid: i mean best community for that kind of stuff
AntiSquid: free, you can donate, tehy are worth it imo
ZarthaxX: i will check when i can
ZarthaxX: okay
ZarthaxX: i have seen some stuff, but not much
ZarthaxX: wowthe amount of courses it has
ZarthaxX: 300hs
ZarthaxX: are they worth? mmhm
AntiSquid: they're split into categories
AntiSquid: mostly algorithms at the end, so just do the stuff you aren't familiar with
ZarthaxX: i will check it, ty
AntiSquid: np
ZarthaxX: i was avoiding doing courses tho, as you tend to copy pasta a project that wasnt thought by yourself, and you end learning nothing
ZarthaxX: hate pages that say "paste this" and "now this"
ZarthaxX: "take this free css"
AntiSquid: lol, well it's web dev you should restyle it and there are millions of ready made styles / layouts out there
MSmits: I prefer that to trying to copy whats being coded in a video though
MSmits: I dislike video tutorials
MSmits: much prefer written ones: https://catlikecoding.com/ is awesome
MSmits: (esp. the unity C# ones)
ZarthaxX: i will try the frontend one about react, will see what happens :P
AntiSquid: i mean once you know how shit works, you realize doing objects in css takes way too long so you are better off copying css unless you want to spend hours just adjusting some box sizes on your page
ZarthaxX: nice url haha
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid yeah but having full control is cool
ZarthaxX: i get it tho
jacek: https://gfycat.com/pl/firstwarpedinganue
jacek: i killed the chat :(
AntiSquid: nice headshot too
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jacek: stockfish guys calculating materials from endgame tables
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d342ed3d-bdd4-4d99-902e-8ec73bcddb0b
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Doju: Anybody here?
jacek: nope
PatrickMcGinnisII: no
Doju: ok nevermind then
jacek: :}
Doju: so I'm just stumped by this issue
AntiSquid: i am Anybody
jacek: anypony
AntiSquid: woah
AntiSquid: got to eject jace from chat
Doju: i'm creating a class instance with the exact arguments that it wants
Doju: yet "No mathcing function to call"
Doju: (c++)
AntiSquid: how do you know what it wants ?
AntiSquid: show class and how you call
therealbeef: the error message usually tells you what the mismatch is
Doju: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2d3fcfd5-4c1f-4284-98c6-92eff53f2644
Doju: Action(int(actionId), ActionType(type), Delta(delta), int(price), int(tomeIndex), int(taxCount), bool(castable), bool(repeatable))
Doju: "no matching function for call to 'Action::Action(int, ActionType, Delta, int, int, int, bool, bool)'"
AntiSquid: uhm ...
Doju: I've been trying to figure this out for hours :|
AntiSquid: just post the entire struct
AntiSquid: or the default constructor
AntiSquid: and then the line where you create new object maybe would be helpful ?
3569066: mhm
AntiSquid: wait
AntiSquid: nvm, just proceed sharing because it's not clear what you're doing
therealbeef: have you tried: Action a = { ... };
Doju: erm
3569066: sounds like fall challenge
Doju: therealbeef i just tried that as you sent that message
Doju: ide no longer complains about it
LMGator: hello:grinning:
AntiSquid: A
AntiSquid: HA!
LMGator: hello
Doju: so there's a difference between Type t = Type(args) and Type t{args}...
therealbeef: afaik the compiler doesnt generate a constructor with arguments for you
Doju: ohhh I see
LMGator: hello
Doju: I'm still not quite sure why I want to learn the language hahah
Doju: but anyways thanks for the help everybody!
Doju: and derjack indeed, i'm translating my python program to c++
AntiSquid: which game ?
Doju: fall challenge
AntiSquid: oh ya you'll need it ...
Doju: yeah
Doju: I'm only getting like 2k different gamestates with python
aspace:
Doju: that's good for a dumb search up to the amazing depth of... 2 or 3 :D
therealbeef: Action a = {...}; is more like a structured assignment I guess, while Action(...) is a constructor call. But don't feel bad; initialization is one of the most complex/confusing parts of c++
therealbeef: There are even situations where the compiler parses an initialization as a function declaration. See: https://www.fluentcpp.com/2018/01/30/most-vexing-parse/
therealbeef: Like: Action a();
therealbeef: this doesnt create an object a of type Action ;-)
therealbeef: There are some legendary bugs involving mutex locks and this parsing
Doju: ugh, c++ is so bizarre
Doju: A friend of mine called javascript a "chewing gum" language
AntiSquid: your opinion before you've seen meta programming or after ?
Doju: In the sense that features have been haphazardly stuck on during the years
Doju: but c++, at least from a beginner's perspective, seems doubly so
therealbeef: yeah there's too much legacy
Doju: I don't even know what that is, AntiSquid
AntiSquid: then you don't know what c++ weirdness is either
Doju: oh dear
Doju: i just googled metaprogramming
Doju: that must be fun.
Doju: ./s
therealbeef: the syntax of template metaprogramming is getting better though
AntiSquid: well listened to some seriously deep topics on it and i must say ... i missed parts of it, got the big picture, but not everything
therealbeef: with constexpr-if, concepts, etc it gets a lot cleaner
therealbeef: relatively
therealbeef: pre-C++11 it was really d*gsh*t
Doju: oh my god
Doju: i think it compiled
Doju: :o
Doju: yess!
Doju: now to figure out how to combine my files
LMGator: hay
LMGator: hello
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