Kellthazar: I finished my simulation + genetic algorithm a couple of weeks ago, but I couldn't thought a clever way to create a initial population. I tried several ways til think on "force" the initial genes with a pre-established directions... Then the magic happened! :D
Passifi: So pythons range function doesn't support floats just as I am warming up to that language it backstabes me ... everytime ...
AgathokakologicalBit: Does anyone have code for simulating MarsLander game?
derjack: Passifi use numpy arrange(?)
DaNinja: Muzkaw has a video on building a Lunar Lander app https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYXlosxBzk
Passifi: yo derJack yeah i found that one too. but thanks :)
AgathokakologicalBit: @DaNinja, thx
MeSeet: NN+GA (NEAT) in js vs in python? What are your thougths?
KiwiTae: C++ ftw
derjack: youll get more tools for python. for performance, of course c++
derjack: though python acts here as wrapper for c++ stuff
MadKnight: MeSeet what exactly kind of combination ?
Joseph_Mother: Ay ay ay
Joseph_Mother: cmon now
Joseph_Mother: :flag_il:
Joseph_Mother: Dang 38 seconds
Joseph_Mother: im not bad huh
Joseph_Mother: I got an issue yall
Joseph_Mother: When u print numbers in lua its like 1.0 instead of 1
Joseph_Mother: and it causes alot of issues n stuff and ive lost clashes before because of it
Joseph_Mother: so i have to do like tostring(num):sub(1,-3) every time i need to output a number
DaNinja: did you try ~~x or x|0
Joseph_Mother: that aint valid lua syntax
DaNinja: x-x%1
Joseph_Mother: lol
Katespizer: is cursing on CoC channels allowed?
jacek: bloody hell!
AgathokakologicalBit: Oh, my stars and garters! O:
Q12: Can somebody that know python very well help me in "Don't Panic" optimization challenge? Need to be less than 200 characters but the closest I get is 296. I think that my current way of solving is enough to complete it, just need to reduce the number of characters and don't know how.
RoboStac: if you've solved it you can check other peoples solutions in the standard (non golf version). See if there are any ideas in there you can use
JerWhatIsCode: ^ this is super useful looking at others code even if you solve any puzzle perfectly fine. I think it's the best part of this site, being able to see how other people approach the same problem.
NicknameAlreadyTakenHelp: bad
Q12: Thanks a lot, good idea @RoboStac and @JerWhatIsCode :thumbsup:
KelvinAndHubbles: how long till the "Max number of submissions and test cases tried" thingy goes away?
MadKnight: hmm where did u get that ?
KelvinAndHubbles: Code Vs Zombies
KelvinAndHubbles: its due to a lot of test cases
MadKnight: do u test them all at once very often ?
KelvinAndHubbles: well yeah, thats why I have the notif, probably should just be doing some lower down ones
MadKnight: there's one pretty important
MadKnight: that can give u 464k for just that 1 test
MadKnight: https://www.codingame.com/replay/310155287
MadKnight: use this one instead of them all
Uljahn: KelvinAndHubbles: you are given 25 submission attempts per 5 hours, it doesn't depend on the number of validators i guess
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jacek: AutomatonNN, please translate
AutomatonNN: wow
magaiti: seems legit
Rakotoo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e70faf99-89e3-4199-b40e-e86af29db746
Rakotoo: Pour vous les boys
MadKnight: the solution is already in Hints
Rakotoo: On sait jamais
AntiSquid: who is Jamal ?
deoignition: asm >>> python
BlaiseEbuth: Don't know this operator... :thinking:
deoignition: Is that a reference to :joy: the popular game :rage: amogus :joy: :joy: :laughing: who is sus!?!? :rage: who :flushed: is :smirk: sus :sob: WHOWO :pensive: amogus is best game :joy: bcuz is was coded in asm :innocent: best languiui :hugging:\
Astrobytes: Are you unwell in some way?
deoignition: yes :weary:
Scarfield: wait, i thought both uljah-n and blaise were mods?
Astrobytes: Desist with spamming crap please.
deoignition: ok bby :kissing_heart:
BlaiseEbuth: Scarfield : The server has eat our badges ! :scream:
Astrobytes: Scarfield, they were but there was an issue the other day that wiped some of the mod rights
Scarfield: :screa:
Scarfield: :scream:
Astrobytes: ScreamField
Scarfield: ScaryMovieBytes
jrke: even i just noticed that some mods removed, But why
BlaiseEbuth: certificats update.
BlaiseEbuth: You don't see the link ? Me neither :D
jrke: link?for what
BlaiseEbuth: The link between certificats update and the moderator rights.
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/contribute---help/chat-moderation
jrke: ^^ i can see the name of ebuth here
Scarfield: Astrobytes https://prnt.sc/10ncweh
eulerscheZahl: https://static.codingame.com/servlet/fileservlet?id=23052489191875
AntiSquid: i never see some of those people around jrke
MSmits: it should go here eulerscheZahl: https://isthisacat.com/
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/FV9dScT
MSmits: haha
Scarfield: wonder what it is then
MSmits: what kind of demon is it then?
eulerscheZahl: an impurrstor
Scarfield: xD
MSmits: :grin:
Scarfield: ty for the link euler, but high res requires more than low effort :p
MasterCoderxD: hey
Scarfield: hi
MasterCoderxD: what does (t := b) mean?
eulerscheZahl: it also shows some background
MSmits: set t equal to b
eulerscheZahl: Pascal syntax
MSmits: or bind t to b
AntiSquid: is it new python syntax?
MSmits: or syntax error, depending on the language
MasterCoderxD: like? t=b?
MasterCoderxD: it's just basic algorithm yntax
MSmits: yeah t = b should be similar
AntiSquid: like tell us what language you're using lol
eulerscheZahl: pseudo code
AntiSquid: or you could look it up in language docs yourself
MasterCoderxD: it was a pseudo code bro
MSmits: oh, current puzzle of the week was created by happy-jacek
AntiSquid: https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/101716/in-pseudo-code-what-does-mean
MasterCoderxD: thanks bruv
AntiSquid: forgot this goes along with it MasterCoderxD https://lmgtfy.app/#gsc.tab=0
jacek: happy-jacek?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/profile/1b727538d147d9eb687b82915f3539e28521681
jacek: pretty avatar
MSmits: yeah it's like jacek only even happier
jrke: thats why its 'happy-jacek'
MSmits: you got it
eulerscheZahl: i sneaked in a link to the wrong profile and you didn't complain :(
MSmits: that's dark jacek
MSmits: don't confuse the two
eulerscheZahl: or "snuck" :thinking:
MSmits: or "snookered"
jacek: no one noticed i mirrored my avatar few weeks ago :(
eulerscheZahl: no, snuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJVNzwTnfbk
jrke: just noticed after your message
BlaiseEbuth: I noticed.
MSmits: this teaches me things about your google preferences euler
jrke: i noticed before you changed your mirror avatar ;)
MSmits: It shows me alot of conan too :)
eulerscheZahl: there's a spider! right above my chair
eulerscheZahl: god dammit
eulerscheZahl: it was a little beside 5min ago but it moved
jrke: so, toad v/s spider
BlaiseEbuth: tongue
Rakotoo: Claquette chaussette
ZarthaxX: who won?
Rakotoo: me
ZarthaxX: toad the spider got you? :P
ZarthaxX: toads eat spiders
eulerscheZahl: FJAFJKLDSKF7JKFDJ
Scarfield: im still worried, might be a david goliath scenario
BlaiseEbuth: The spider walks on his keyboard :scream:
eulerscheZahl: did you recognize the reference?
jrke: the one more hungrier should have won
jrke: gtg b-bye
eulerscheZahl: it's walking
eulerscheZahl: ok i'm done, time to get it outside
ZarthaxX: what was that :rofl:
Scarfield: no idea about the reference, and was too slow to link the conan video first :'(
ZarthaxX: ah walking onthe keyboard lmao
eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/1530/
Got_Games: hi
eulerscheZahl: you all would have failed to rescue me, i'm disappointed
ZarthaxX: LOOOOOOL
ZarthaxX: that meme fits so well
ZarthaxX: did you type the exact string? lol
eulerscheZahl: of course
Scarfield: xD
deoignition: remove shortest code mode right now :rage:
KelvinAndHubbles: make reverse + shortest mode now >:D
jacek: it would be easier actually. once you figure out reverse, you have more time to complete it
eulerscheZahl: make a new mode: you get a solution and have to find a puzzle
deoignition: reverse mode is oke
deoignition: shortest code mode is garbage cuz python always wins
jacek: use ruby [solved]
KelvinAndHubbles: or just learn python
deoignition: :nauseated_face:
deoignition: i know python
jacek: an how come euler has mod badge when others dont
deoignition: i just dont want to have to use it
deoignition: and its unfair to people who dont want to learn a garbage language
struct: a bug caused it jacek
struct: They forgot some people :(
deoignition: well clearly you are a mod
deoignition: so you can remove shortest mode from right now :grinning:
darkhorse64: mod not god
deoignition: :frowning2:
struct: Also you cant please everyone
AntiSquid: deoignition what language do you use?
struct: Plenty of people enjoy shortest
deoignition: mainly c++
AntiSquid: so just play multiplayer then, c++ usually wins
NoctalIvan: I like shortest. But CoC multi language shortest is so unfair tbh
struct: hmm
struct: Languages have more advantage on shortest than on multies tbh
ErrorRazor: It's not unfair, you're allowed to pick any language you want
NoctalIvan: Well I'm learning Perl just for this
AntiSquid: python and ruby are for premium VIP members only /s
ANONYMOUS42: ruby or bust
NoctalIvan: I just don't wanna
struct: When I played CoC, I switched between Bash Ruby Perl Js and python
struct: and I dont know any of them well
AntiSquid: so coc didn't help you improve? shocker
NoctalIvan: Yeah same. Mostly python & JS so far
struct: It teached me random math formulas and regex
ErrorRazor: Didn't teach you the past tense of "teach" though
AntiSquid: i feel like a lot of the ordinary puzzles force you to learn random math stuff
AntiSquid: twat, there's your past tense
Scarfield: ^
NoctalIvan: Actually shortest teaches me a lotta stuff, imo
jacek: happy code review for your coworkers
ANONYMOUS42: how much CoC do you need to play to start getting repeating puzzles
NoctalIvan: About how twisted for loops really work for instance
NoctalIvan: Oh that's a good question. Never had any
NoctalIvan: But some opponents at some points were like waaaay to fast to be reading the problem entirely
ANONYMOUS42: yeah i remember playing it a few years ago and it there were like 20 second responses
ANONYMOUS42: i think it's a bit better now
ANONYMOUS42: or maybe they were just really fast idk
NoctalIvan: Yup, I remember a guy making a bot to auto copy paste the answers to the stuff he had completed once :grin:
NoctalIvan: In uni, years ago
NoctalIvan: Nah. 50 secs can be legit but 20 is too short. Even if they didn't bot anything it's only possible if they knew the subject imo
NoctalIvan: Which technically isn't cheating
struct: If they know the clash under 20 sec is possible
ANONYMOUS42: yes
ANONYMOUS42: that was kind of my point
AntiSquid: not everyone knows the clash and i've seen it too often, even for longer clashes instant submits ...
AntiSquid: so screw clash, unless you want to do shortest for fun
ANONYMOUS42: i always like reverse for some reason
ANONYMOUS42: liked*
snoyes: I have just completed a clash in 22 seconds, having never seen it before and without using any bot or script or anything else resembling cheating.
jacek: oO
JohnnyHotBody: Dang your good!
ErrorRazor: What's the max execution time for puzzles? Is it the same for every puzzle? There's nothing specified in potw
jacek: not enough to brute force it in any way
ErrorRazor: Why would you want to brute force it anyway
jacek: because im dumb
aamirhs: 15 mins i guess?
snoyes: where do you manage who you are "following" and who is following you, and what do you see when you follow someone?
AntiSquid: profile page
Wilster: -=W=-
jonzel: is it a smart career move in college to do a lot of c++? Or should you rather spend more time with python and java
struct: What do you mean by move in college to do a lot of c++?
jonzel: like doing private projects where I could chose any language in cpp
jonzel: oh, I meant "career move" :-D
snoyes: Is it a (wise thing to do) (while in college) to...
Wayne_Ker: Hi can someone help me
struct: ah you mean doing side project while in uni?
jonzel: yeah, sorry english is not my first language
Wayne_Ker: im building a calculator and im running out of ideas for different buttons
Wayne_Ker: i already got 40 different and i need 3 more
Theino: do you have addition?
struct: factorial?
Wayne_Ker: yep
Theino: welp, I'm out of ideas
Grizzly21: PV and FV
Wayne_Ker: sin cos tan ctn + - * / ** sqrt ...
Wayne_Ker: !
Wayne_Ker: | |
Theino: arc sin, arc cos...
struct: mod?
Wayne_Ker: i dont eve3n know what that is
Wayne_Ker: ?
jonzel: rounding
Grizzly21: lots of financial fucntions you can add
Wayne_Ker: i got pi e log too
struct: modulo is the remainder
Wayne_Ker: i got rounding too
Wayne_Ker: i got parantheses
jonzel: minutes to hours
Wayne_Ker: that aint that hard
Theino: oh ya, you could fill it up with conversions. lb to kg, minutes to hours, etc, etc
Wayne_Ker: but i might add it too
Theino: if you want harder, add some calculus functions
Wayne_Ker: im too dumb for that
Theino: then do conversions :P
Wayne_Ker: its at least a year till we learn it
jonzel: riemann zeta function
Wayne_Ker: k thx guys
Wayne_Ker: <3
Theino: easy, but useful would be a pi and e button
Wayne_Ker: got it
Wayne_Ker: also what i dont understand is why the gui takes few sec to load
Wayne_Ker: i use tkinter
Wayne_Ker: py
Theino: I've used tcl/tk but never tkinter so I don't think I can help you there
Wayne_Ker: i used the time module to count the loading time
Wayne_Ker: it took 0.2 sec to run from start to end
Wayne_Ker: bet the gui takes a lot longer
Wayne_Ker: im in a VM but my pc is good
Wayne_Ker: so i dont think it is the problem
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8758470df0f4ccc4ad5c774d20935cf59c7698
hm, somehow the dice rotation doesn't match my internal state :/
wlesavo: oh, nice game, i now want to play it like a board game
eulerscheZahl: it is a board game ;)
eulerscheZahl: a buggy one atm
wlesavo: i mean ive never seen that, but now i had :slight_smile:
wlesavo: i think i have enough dices
eulerscheZahl: oh, you mean you want to play in real life?
wlesavo: yeah
wlesavo: btw euler, i finally found an IT job thx to CG :slight_smile:
kovi: gratz!
eulerscheZahl: oh, awesome!
eulerscheZahl: "IOF RAN"
is your profile updated already?
wlesavo: starting from april
wlesavo: not yet
eulerscheZahl: tell me more: what field, tech stack? working hours, ...
wlesavo: smart engines, its a small somewhat scientific company with computer vision and tomogrphy development
eulerscheZahl: so in the medical sector
wlesavo: basically crossplatform C++
wlesavo: not really, they doing high resolution CT for material study
wlesavo: their main product is recognition of different document on mobile devices, CT team is quite small, and im starting from CT
jacek: how would you play those dices in real life overlapping?
wlesavo: jacek you eat the dice if you finished on the same place with greater value
eulerscheZahl: "with greater value" - wlesavo inventing new rules :D
darkhorse64: you always move in straight lines ?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: but can't cross your own path
eulerscheZahl: play boss vs boss
wlesavo: euler oh, i just deduced it would work like that :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: but when a die has the number N on top, you have to move exactly N cells
wlesavo: hm, from boss vs boss replay it looks like moving up to N cells
wlesavo: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/534566138
eulerscheZahl: broken
eulerscheZahl: the visuals don't match my internal state
wlesavo: in the end there red cube goes back and force 1 move, even with broken visuals that cant be right
eulerscheZahl: i can't open your replay
eulerscheZahl: it's private
wlesavo: https://www.codingame.com/replay/534566138
eulerscheZahl: Oups
An error occurred (#UNAUTHORIZED): "You are not authorised to view replay 534566138".
wlesavo: hm
darkhorse64: you can't share replay in wip
wlesavo: i see
darkhorse64: It's quite bad for bug reporting. CG, please fix it !
eulerscheZahl: i told CG to fix it when I found a BotG replay before the contest started :(
eulerscheZahl: now it's not even relevant anymore as community contests are dead
jacek: revert commit then
eulerscheZahl: and at least I (as the creator) want to see the replays even if the arena is private
wlesavo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bcd4619c-d05a-403b-a350-dd772a438ec6
darkhorse64: It should be an option. Share if you wish, by default don't share
jacek: make it password locked
eulerscheZahl: options are always good
darkhorse64: same as allow people to dowload the boss code
darkhorse64: Oops, always on
darkhorse64: :grimacing:
eulerscheZahl: well, my internal state of the die is really broken :D
jacek: hm?
darkhorse64: private jke
darkhorse64: *joke*
struct: dark horse I had no idea it was possible when I asked you for othello boss :/
darkhorse64: No worries, I took care to remove some parts of my usual MCTS code
darkhorse64: Lesson learned, I will always write crappy minimax bosses
darkhorse64: That's what I did for Clobber
Tuo: Is the clobber boss supposed to be easy?
leojean890: darkhorse64 one time, a boss code was public on github ?;)
leojean890: same question as Tuo xD no it's not very easy^^
darkhorse64: No, I made it tough
Tuo: i keep trying and trying and its not even close
struct: no leojean890 its worse than that
leojean890: it's alpha beta with good eval
leojean890: and god perfs
leojean890: good*
darkhorse64: leojean890: do you refer to the public Clobber repo ?
leojean890: struct how worse ?:P
Astrobytes: eh, ClobberSan is designed to test you
leojean890: darkhorse64 you told me about your boss a few days ago
leojean890: Astrobytes advised you about the eval and you did good perfs^^
darkhorse64: The boss on the repo is a dummy one
leojean890: but not iterative deepening
leojean890: depth depending on branching factor
leojean890: like I did but better than how I did it;)
darkhorse64: Poor's man iterative deepening
Scarfield: Astrobytes i think you missed this ealier https://prnt.sc/10ncweh
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: :D
darkhorse64: Tip: implement a MCTS. Mine has 90+ % winrate against the boss. No eval needed
AntiSquid: hey clobber has no cover art
AntiSquid: fix it
jacek: who approved it :\
Astrobytes: hahahaha Scarfield
Tuo: my bot can do 15k 15 step full random sims and 18 total moves left min max.
Scarfield: :)
struct: leojean890 I prefer not to discuss it in public anymore
darkhorse64: I am a dev, not an artist
Astrobytes: Can't you do a bigger one? I can't use that as an avatar!
Tuo: suold this be enought?
AntiSquid: devs know how to upload image files
Astrobytes: struct: wise move
leojean890: struct darkhorse64 one time, a boss code was public on github ?;)
leojean890: struct oh ok
leojean890: not in public, right, sorry;)
AntiSquid: fix breakthrough cover art while you're at it
darkhorse64: Same answer
darkhorse64: Tuo: I did not understand
Astrobytes: Oh yeah, I started breakthrough today, any tips?
AntiSquid: i'll make a tutorial on tech.io how to upload a cover image
jacek: Astrobytes bitboarding?
darkhorse64: No tip from me. I suck at my own game
Astrobytes: jacek: that's a given
AntiSquid: and paper soccer could have cover art as well
jacek: then its relatively cheap to find/avoid 3-ply win-lose, possibly more with more ifs
darkhorse64: devs don't know how to design images
AntiSquid: they know how to click select image and click upload and click confirm
jacek: and home row is quite important
jacek: but what image to select
Astrobytes: mcts or ab approach is best? Or around the same?
And yeah.
Astrobytes: Guessing ept works here
Tuo: darkhorse64 for MCTS you make a move and simulate game for x turns right? More sims the better and then minmax the end
jacek: i used ab approach originally, it is quite evalable
Astrobytes: Yeah, there's a bunch of heuristics to use
darkhorse64: Tuo: interesting approach. I use a solver instead of minimax
Tuo: i thought the idea of clobber is to get as many sims as possible, hats what iv been doing for days :D
jacek: it is true for mcts generally
darkhorse64: I have 120k full random rollouts second turn
jacek: and you do mcts until the end
Tuo: So im not even close to beating the bot with 5-10k
darkhorse64: Astrobytes: MCTS/EPT but my eval is crappy
jacek: huh? bot has 120k rollouts?
darkhorse64: :nerd:
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: good to know, thx
jacek: how do you people count the roullouts? i always have 10x less yet im at the same level
struct: 1 rollout = 1 play until end?
darkhorse64: yes
jacek: thats how i count it
jacek: :thinking:
Astrobytes: 'Harnessing' that pony magic jacek
jacek: and i always have the solver implied
Astrobytes: For some games though you do things a little differently from some of us
darkhorse64: Same. My rollouts are dumb
jacek: im talking vanilla mcts. for uttt before i had 10k in second turn, yet people claimed they had over 100k
jacek: and i was top20
Astrobytes: Yeah but didn't you do something different there? (that's specifically the one I was thinking of)
jacek: i had some heuristics biasing the selection and rolloutsbut rather light ones
darkhorse64: Send me your uttt code. I'll tell you
Astrobytes: :grin:
jacek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Astrobytes: Yeah, that kinda thing can make a difference jacek
jacek: some people may read the code
leojean890: 120k rollouts is enormous ;)
AntiSquid: humongous
darkhorse64: The engine is so simple
jacek: oh, never did true avx. maybe i should start
darkhorse64: avx does not help or I suck at it. My avx is slower
Astrobytes: It's not the easiest thing in the world
leojean890: ErisSMSO maybe good to go W1 as well^^
jacek: maybe Astrobytes wont be last after all
leojean890: EricSMSO *
leojean890: all W2 people are behind so..^^
blanit: yo guys
blanit: everyone*
AntiSquid: anyone
jacek: everypony
blanit: i need some help here, gonna be testes in this site for a position. Whats the best path to do in 4 days?
blanit: tested*
Astrobytes: jacek: nah, I expect that to be last until I fix my MCTS version
AntiSquid: upload an avatar, player botters
EricSMSO: I cross fingers
blanit: x)
leojean890: you're not far Eric ;)
darkhorse64: boss 25.5
AntiSquid: that's why everyone who asks how to prepare fails blanit
blanit: just want to pratice, dont be so judmental
blanit: jugmental
AntiSquid: yes practice
blanit: judgemental
darkhorse64: he is kidding you
AntiSquid: why the smiley then
AntiSquid: you can play clobber, see if you get at least wood 1
Tuo: that is some evil advice
darkhorse64: practice puzzles
AntiSquid: if you want to pass a test prepare for the worst, nothing evil
blanit: yup doing some puzzels was just asking if there was some path of something
AntiSquid: do the path on the landing page
darkhorse64: There is the quest map
leojean890: practice puzzles or reach gold on multis^^
EricSMSO: Yes ! Now let's try to uncomment #pragma
leojean890: gg ;)
darkhorse64: Why uncomment ?
blanit: ty for the help!
Scarfield: Astrobytes behold my superiot paint skills https://prnt.sc/10nithg
EricSMSO: Because I forgot to uncomment itat first run
AntiSquid: try gimp it's free Scarfield
darkhorse64: What a serious kick!
Kaukdsv: Hi
Kaukdsv: Is there someone here now?
jacek: maybe
Scarfield: potentially
Kaukdsv: :(
Kaukdsv: What language do you use/know?
AntiSquid: why singular ?
Astrobytes: Scarfield: Hahaha! My dude. I will change my avatar immendiately :D
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: Or immediately.
AntiSquid: Scarfield starting his pimp my cg avatar show soon
struct: The more I code the less I know
Scarfield: i am the artist of 4 now i think
darkhorse64: Kaukdsv: C++. Python is also very popular here
leojean890: python, easier.. C++ more powerful
blanit: no go?
struct: More important than knowing a language is knowing how to program
leojean890: go less known
Astrobytes: What struct said. 100%
AntiSquid: JavaScript is my favourite because so many people hate it while I like it.
Astrobytes: When you know what's happening behind the scenes, you can learn most languages fairly quickly
darkhorse64: As people say, use the right tool, the one you are confortable with and appropriate to the tasks. You have an ample choice of 25 (27?) languages
blanit: is good to know to know general programming but langagues and diff purposes and specifics so its also good to focus on a few
blanit: serve not and sry
blanit: but yeah first focus on learn to program
AntiSquid: hey Scarfield just a suggestion/challenge, make cover arts for clobber / paper soccer / breakthrough and have them accepted :P
AntiSquid: art *
jacek: :3
AntiSquid: i mean without it nobody will even notice there's a football game
Scarfield: maybe, but i make these silly avatars for the chuckle, if i were to make coverart for games, it would probably have to be more serious
jacek: try one for tvc
AntiSquid: it's ok, just charge them money for it
Scarfield: there was mention of a pretty cool sketching tool a few weeks ago, not gimp though
AntiSquid: paint 3D ? :P
Scarfield: ew, you cannot improve paint
AntiSquid: sketchbook ?
Astrobytes: Krita?
Scarfield: krita yes
jacek: made in kotlin?
AntiSquid: oh krita is available on ubuntu too
darkhorse64: Astrobytes has lost 1st last place
AntiSquid: where
AntiSquid: clobber?
Astrobytes: Oof.
Astrobytes: Not for long if I go by recent experience :P
darkhorse64: Give some tips to EricSMSO
Astrobytes: I only give tips if you're stuck in the lower league :D
Astrobytes: And if you can give me good ones in return :P
darkhorse64: Fast bitboard engine, MCTS, solver
Astrobytes: I know all that
darkhorse64: I have no heuristic at all
PatrickMcGinnisII: tmi, inserting your tips into the weak
Astrobytes: I just haven't finished writing my MCTS. I planned to try EPT first
jacek: curious how ms' meta turned out
jacek: for ept you need heuristics :c
Astrobytes: Who you calling weak Patrick. darkhorse can insert his tips into whomever he likes :P
Scarfield: just the tip?
Astrobytes: jacek: there are heuristics
PatrickMcGinnisII: fingers, ===) whatever...tmi
leojean890: I'm keeping my alphabeta for now and trying stuff xD
darkhorse64: I try to keep my integrity
Astrobytes: And his meta was not great iirc jacek
PatrickMcGinnisII: sry ;)
darkhorse64: I have two kids: that's enough
Astrobytes: Not like you to lower the tone at all Patrick :P
Astrobytes: hahaha
PatrickMcGinnisII: tomorrow is st. patricks day, I'm warming up
Astrobytes: leojean890: alphabeta is enough
Astrobytes: for the next league I mean
kovi: why clobber is more popular than chess?
Astrobytes: chess is far more involved
leojean890: yeah but I have to give up python and improve my eval xD
Astrobytes: clobber sim is 5 minute job
AntiSquid: ppl hate castle
leojean890: chess implies mass investment
darkhorse64: 27 people: not that popular
leojean890: you need more time
leojean890: so maybe one day more people will have time
Astrobytes: Why does breakthrough have so many people?
leojean890: because it's been available for long
leojean890: like vindinium
leojean890: dots and bots it's because it's user friendly and looks easier
Astrobytes: Hm. Perhaps darkhorse64 should add a boss so it can be POTW and get even more.
darkhorse64: Simple engine, some tactics ?
darkhorse64: It has already been potw
Astrobytes: How did that work?
darkhorse64: Quite well. It doubles the number of people
darkhorse64: doubled
Astrobytes: Yeah, but they can't get the achievement because of only one league
darkhorse64: It was pre quest map
Astrobytes: Ah yes, ofc
jacek: :soccer: was also potw, during contest :unamused:
leojean890: potw helps, but some were potw and are still unpopular
AntiSquid: made me giggle, i still remember
leojean890: blocking or fireworks don't have many people yet
darkhorse64: it did not work for fireworks and tryangle
leojean890: penguins or D&B or 2048 were hugely valorized
leojean890: by POTW
Astrobytes: blocking movegen is insane and fireworks requires some time to understand. Tryangle is a game that requires some invested time
darkhorse64: ^
leojean890: I didn't do tryangle and blocking for the moment btw
PatrickMcGinnisII: i think clobber can be optimized for play using a number generator
darkhorse64: ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: it would be hard to find
leojean890: yeah Astrobytes they are not easy
AntiSquid: fireworks is only hard because of the inputs
leojean890: blocking huge branching, chess idem, tryangle idem...
Scarfield: idem?
leojean890: idem = same for
Astrobytes: It's like saying what you've just said
Scarfield: Indiana Department of Environmental Management
Scarfield: never seen that expression before
Astrobytes: Blocking huge branching, chess huge branching, tryangle etc etc
leojean890: idem maybe is french idk
Scarfield: latin
leojean890: but I use this in french ;)
kovi: maybe not all requires game tree...
Astrobytes: I've used it in writing papers and stuff
leojean890: blocking huge branching, same for chess, same for tryangle...
kovi: altough im still having trouble beating boss with no tree...
leojean890: maybe heuristics without game tree may be ok
kovi: chess
jacek: huge branching factor isnt problem. making a sim is
leojean890: chess maybe depth 2 would be ok with good eval for W1 ?^^
Theino: blocking huge branching, chess Indiana Department of Environmental Management, tryangle Indiana Department of Environmental Management
leojean890: Theino trolling ;P
Scarfield: how close to the boos kovi?
jacek: afaik chess boss is 1ply material
Scarfield: and the boss
Astrobytes: Or maybe weaker eval and more depth
Theino: we Americans are serious about our Indiana Department of Environmental Management
leojean890: huge branching may be a problem, because needs to deal with it^^
Astrobytes: yeah jacek, material eval with 2-3 depth should be enough (I think)
Scarfield: iirc re curse said depth 2 material for chess boss
leojean890: with heuristics for example
EricSMSO: So Astrobytes, give me the tips; please
kovi: scarfield: almost 2. im still <40%
jacek: well i advanced league when i hadnt castling or en passant yet
Astrobytes: EricSMSO: You don't get any since you're no longer in the bottom league :P
Scarfield: ye me too, and only 1 ply eval
AntiSquid: k what's quickest way to upper league Astrobytes
PatrickMcGinnisII: <--1D board eval, if you can't beat my chess bot u aren't trying
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: good eval
Scarfield: boss is boosted again i guess, but nice to see another chess player :)
AntiSquid: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: think outside the box
AntiSquid: for clobber you mean ?
Astrobytes: The eval may not be the most intuitive
Astrobytes: Yes.
AntiSquid: just wanted to know if there's a quick way, doing something else atm
leojean890: there are some papers which could help ^^
leojean890: I saw them really fast
Astrobytes: Actually, to advance to next league I would ignore the papers
kovi: i need to add knight fork/check
leojean890: only a powerful MCTS with many sims;p
Astrobytes: I made it with alphabeta
kovi: that is too strong...and its not immediate effect
jacek: spoon?
Astrobytes: spork jacek
leojean890: or .. a powerful alphabeta with many sims and a good eval
Astrobytes: Now you're talking
Coder_DaYan: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/17ba16b8-db73-4c3c-b8ee-2a1c46c0326f
Astrobytes: alphabeta, some move ordering, TT
leojean890: my eval is bad, mostly checking the number of pawns which can move per player^^
Coder_DaYan: why does this code not work?
leojean890: (not the number of moves)
Astrobytes: That's a useful addition
AntiSquid: because you wrote it twice Coder_DaYan
leojean890: it's a very light eval^^
Astrobytes: There's something else you can evaluate too leojean890, look at the neighbourhood of your pawns
Scarfield: yea, you want your pawns to live in a good neighbourhood
Coder_DaYan: no, I just copied it wrong AntiSquid
leojean890: number of neighbors which are my own/adv/empty pawns ?
Astrobytes: I'll let you work it out leojean890
leojean890: ok hehe
Astrobytes: ;)
Scarfield: you arent on the leaderboard though leoIdem
AntiSquid: sell them at the pawn shop
AntiSquid: ?
leojean890: I'm 2nd W2 Scarfield
jacek: Coder_DaYan and what puzzle is that
Scarfield: xD thought you were talking chess
leojean890: clobber;)
Coder_DaYan: It`s the Horse-racing Duals Puzzle
leojean890: chess, I'll see that later, it takes too much time !
Astrobytes: ^
Coder_DaYan: The code passes the first and second tests
Coder_DaYan: but not the third
Astrobytes: And better to bitboard chess from the start rather than start with arrays and whatnot
jacek: as i copied, the code doesnt pass any test o.O
Coder_DaYan: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/001f6a6b-d9e7-4089-a40c-cc02dd0c7bd2
Coder_DaYan: this code?
AntiSquid: optimize it
jacek: ah oops, not this puzzle ^^
jacek: yeah, code works but is slow
AntiSquid: check time complexity
jacek: you have two loops, N*N operations
Astrobytes: Ditch a for loop and figure out how to save some info that you can use
Coder_DaYan: and what info could I use with just one for loop
Astrobytes: That's what you have to figure out
jacek: you have hints on the left
Astrobytes: leojean890: either do some insane pruning or don't use python :P
Coder_DaYan: OK thank you
Suez17: who finished the Bender exercise ?
Coder_DaYan: I think I have an idea that could work:
do you have to sort them all according to size and then only compare the neighboring numbers?
Scarfield: good idea
Coder_DaYan: would that work?
Scarfield: depends on how much time your sorting takes, but yes
Astrobytes: Try it and see ;)
Coder_DaYan: OK, thank you very much for the help, I'll give it a try
leojean890: Astrobytes I know about python xD but need a beter eval as well :p
Astrobytes: leojean890: fair point :)
jacek: i know this eval: if (win) +inf else if (lose) -inf
leojean890: better*
Scarfield: else ±inf
leojean890: Astrobytes my eval is : 10*(nbPawnsThatCanMove - nbEnemyPawnsThatCanMove) + nbValidMovesAtMyMaxDepth - nbEnemyValidMovesAtHisMaxDepth
leojean890: I'll think about your idea of watching my pawns neighborhood
Tuo: i did defended pawns when i was still evaluating boards
Astrobytes: leojean890: yes, prioritise the pawn neighbourhoods in the eval though
Tuo: as in pawn that can move and has own pawn neighbour
leojean890: defended ?
leojean890: oh ok
leojean890: so if the enemy eats you..
leojean890: you can eat him back
Tuo: y :)
Astrobytes: I am saying nothing further.
tric paid for this info with a trade.
You get nothing for free :P
leojean890: because you have a own neighbor
leojean890: XD
jacek: he paid for paper?
leojean890: I saw this drawing in a paper
leojean890: a drawing showing how they studied the problem
leojean890: and they considered this case
leojean890: analyze if you can eat back
Astrobytes: Yeah, don't think too deeply is the advice I would give you right now.
Astrobytes: It's simpler than you think.
Astrobytes: To get to the next league I mean.
leojean890: yeah ;P
leojean890: or MCTS xd
Astrobytes: Yes indeed
Coder_DaYan: thank you so much. I have now tried it and it worked well
Astrobytes: Coder_DaYan: excellent :)
Astrobytes: Now use that kind of thinking in future puzzles, it will help
Scarfield: :muscle:
ENTITY303: cool
ENTITY303: awesom
imathwee: well make time failed
fetrentin: aaaaaaaaaaa
AntiSquid: https://totallythebomb.com/skittles-pride
AntiSquid: funny news
AntiSquid: apparently they've done it before though haha
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