Chat:World/2021-03-01

ThornFlynt: Is Defibrillator's testing up to date? I'm manually checking my result and it seems to be accurate, but is being marked as incorrect... According to the website hosting the CSV, the document was last modified today: Modification date 2021-03-01 04:03 am

ThornFlynt: maybe I'm processing the wrong data... hmm...

hex.master8: how do you change your profile picture

java_coffee_cup: open your "Profile" page, mouse over your icon picture, click

hex.master8: Thanks

hex.master8: I cant find my icon picture

java_coffee_cup: top right corner to open a pull-down menu under your name, find Profile. Go into it. On the top banner you can change your icon picture and background

hex.master8: I don't see an option to change my profile. I can only see the banner. Can't see any icons

java_coffee_cup: It could be easier to ask in discord and post a screen cap to show what you can see.

hex.master8: Ok I joined

Anisza: how to play clash of code?

blackjune: click join, and write some code

DrQuarius: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/clashofcode

Herkus: .

wooxy: :grimacing:

LaZeta: :sleeping:

Xx_D4RKVALI_xX: wsh les bg

derjack: good morning

blackjune: good evening

Passifi: goodliest of mornings to y'all

MdAshfaqulHaque: Hello online world :D

Passifi: Sorry you're in the wrong place this is the real world Las Vegas :sunglasses:

MdAshfaqulHaque: but you are on online,pal

Passifi: Online is the new real

MdAshfaqulHaque: virtual

Passifi: So I am working on the if else puzzle and I wonder whether I am on the comopletly wrong track here If I have a tree of conditions do I not get the amount of possible results by simply adding up the amount of endpoints ?

Phi-: hii i am back to CG or i think i will good now

bigmazi: is it possible to get rid of needing to pass captcha every time?

nnovich-OK: Guys, in other IDEs I'm used to VIM mode with remapped ESC key to combination of "kj". In VIM itself I use ":inoremap kj <esc>", same works in MSVC2019. Can anyone help me with remapping esc in codingame?

nnovich-OK: Attempt at using "inoremap" directly doesn't work and for keybindings I need to know proper command to return from "insert mode".

Kitkat260: goood morning

TheCoderBro: good morning

ZainRaza1: bro any hint

ZainRaza1: coderBro

ZainRaza1: D mod 4 ?

KiwiTae: ?

Westicles: modulo

ZainRaza1: KiwiTae we are in same clash of code

KiwiTae: im not doing coc

KiwiTae: Westicles o/

Wontonimo: bigmazi yeah, do something other than CoC, like try this puzzle https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/mars-lander-episode-1

DhrbP57: how use shield? ;p

Wontonimo: DhrbP57 which game?

Uljahn: CSB perhaps

Uljahn: print the string, output should look like: 4444 5555 SHIELD

jacek: what if he wanted to use SHIELD in uttt?

DhrbP57: csb and thanks

Wontonimo: i tried that jacek, and for some reason it didn't improve # of TPS, weird eh?

Rypakka: Hello

Kitkat260: hi

KelvinAndHubbles: hi

Kitkat260: hru

HunterEhrenfeld: hi

BoatBuilder: hi

Kitkat260: anyone want to be my friend

Katespizer: issogood

Katespizer: mine is abusing String.raw

issogood: interesting, but i don't really get it ;)

JohnathanBarbee: oof. I'm about to loose so many positions in UTTT.

JohnathanBarbee: lose

KelvinAndHubbles: can not tell you how many times I submit for a short too quickly because I think its a fast and I try to refractor by fast because I think its a short in CoC

awnion: how someone got top 4 in CoC in 13 games?

darkhorse64: @kovi: you shall not pass

darkhorse64: :slight_smile:

BlaiseEbuth: Oh the nice bot ! :o

RanDom2113: what language should I start with? im brand new to coding

BlaiseEbuth: C

Kitkat260: sup

BlaiseEbuth: What do you want Kitkat260 ?

Kitkat260: wdym?

Kitkat260: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

kovi: darkhorse64 - you and Tuo is definitely stronger than the rest of us

darkhorse64: my first ever #1 (won't last forever) in a multi, so I spend my bragging rights before it's too late

Tuo: well i just dropped within reach. this game is so random :slight_smile:

Kitkat260: ?

kovi: my first ever python...not that it matters

darkhorse64: yeah we are sometimes switching places

darkhorse64: performance is not a concern, so it's a good place to exercise your Python skills

kovi: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3aa5dacc-6d6c-4c76-a4f9-025960461974

kovi: meh, the point is: single lucky game makes up half of the randomness (+some weird and impossible solutions on that)

MadKnight: Kitkat260 he means like u keep saying hi every 5 hours

MadKnight: for a few days now

darkhorse64: I have tried to analyse some of my severe defeats (#4 place): bad hand and miscommunication

darkhorse64: and you are out

RanDom2113: how long have you guys been coding for?

MadKnight: not long enough

darkhorse64: for CG ?

MadKnight: or maybe for too long

BlaiseEbuth: :older_man:

MadKnight: who knows?

awnion: ~26 years :)

kovi: 37

MadKnight: imagine being coding for just 26 years

MadKnight: CRINGE

RanDom2113: darkhorse64 yeah or just in general

awnion: only first 25 years of coding are hard

MadKnight: it's always only all the previous years of coding that's been hard

RanDom2113: 25 :open_mouth:

darkhorse64: CG: 2 years, in general, I don't wanna count

RanDom2113: that's impressive

BlaiseEbuth: You're all so old, or started very young...

awnion: started in 95 when I was 8 y.o. father bought me XZ Spectrum :)

reCurse: Why not both

BlaiseEbuth: :thinking:

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah, you're old awnion

awnion: only 33 life just started :stuck_out_tongue:

BlaiseEbuth: Sooo old.

BlaiseEbuth: You're older than me, so you're of course very old.

JohnathanBarbee: I started programming in the late 1400s

Wontonimo: for work, 27 years.

jacek: steam cpu?

MSmits: i think he means 14:50 today

Astrobytes: Or it's powered by plutonium and a flux capacitor

Astrobytes: (the CPU)

MSmits: makes sense too

Andrew-H: Im a 17 year old coding warlord

Andrew-H: Watchout for your job

MSmits: you want to be a teacher?

darkhorse64: i am terrified

Astrobytes: I have instantly resigned.

MSmits: oh noes, the teapot is turning green

struct: hi

KalamariKing: Howdy

KalamariKing: Chat's kinda dead, you could revive it if you wanted

jacek: or AutomatonNN or Automaton2000 could do it

AutomatonNN: what do you mean?

Automaton2000: you can reach gold with that

**struct performs cpr

jacek: https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/21-5ec3839e5e778__700.jpg

KalamariKing: Your CPR brought a burst of life!

OmerDrk: bruh moment öyle bir andır ki:

Astrobytes: jacek :rofl:

jacek: and the chat is dead, AutomatonNN

AutomatonNN: for every one that would be a big company to make a blog reCurse with your code for a while

jacek: :open_mouth:

jacek: Automaton2000 what time is it

Automaton2000: i think the problem with that is

rubber_duckie: having had to do the captcha twice

rubber_duckie: this is the first time I've faced a captcha on this site too

Wontonimo: you were that awesome that the system thought you were surely a bot

Wontonimo: rubber_duckie you could try something other than Clash, like this super popular bot battle https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back

tutubalin: rubber_duckie that's just MathieuGanesan looking for bot friends.

Wontonimo: tutubalin do you know this quack?

rubber_duckie: XD and okay, I'll surely look into the challenge

tutubalin: Wontonimo kinda. we clash sometimes

rubber_duckie: woah! you guys are rated so high!

rubber_duckie: btw, suggestions for getting into AI?

Wontonimo: like into fun AI or realworld AI?

rubber_duckie: realworld please!

jacek: lets ask AutomatonNN

AutomatonNN: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤

jacek: oh my

Wontonimo: be willing to do the work and learn. Seriously, that is so much AI work going on, that if you get onto a team as just a regular programmer, you can make opportunities for yourself

Wontonimo: for you next job, look for something that supports a data science team or an AI team

rubber_duckie: I just passed high school tho

rubber_duckie: really not sure how to get into this field...

achatell: It's not so easy to start with AI

Mohamed_Kharrat: do computer science then AI for your masters

Mohamed_Kharrat: u can't start straight with ai

reCurse: If you're serious about AI take a statistics class

jacek: :scream:

Tristan28729608752: just take a skikit course first

Tristan28729608752: and maybe tensorflow afterwards

Tristan28729608752: if youre programming in python

Tristan28729608752: which i would recommend

reCurse: Or pytorch if you prefer having fun

Tristan28729608752: yeeeah

Tristan28729608752: keras is great too

Tristan28729608752: for tensorflow

rubber_duckie: noted

rubber_duckie: any book suggestions?

tutubalin: "How to pass captcha for robots"

rubber_duckie: XD

rubber_duckie: okay...that may be my first project...create an AI that passes captcha

Wontonimo: if you want to get serious with neural networks, learn matrix math, like transforms, inversion, identity, algebra. It will seriously boost your insights into NN archicture

tutubalin: at the time when you learn all that stuff, NN architecture will change greatly

jacek: but basic math will stay the same

tutubalin: yeah, you still can use it in gamedev :)

Astrobytes: linear algebra is linear algebra

Astrobytes: +1 on stats btw

tutubalin: the problem of modern NN is that they are based on linear algebra

tutubalin: there's no such thing as multiplication

struct: o.o

tutubalin: but, probably, natural NNs are based on the same principles. that's why we cannot multiply 473 by 519 in mind

Astrobytes: Never compare a real brain to artificial NN, or vice versa. It's a very loose 'connection' :)

jacek: full connection?

jacek: like in MLP

reCurse: You mean GAs are not the same as biology?

reCurse: My life is a lie

Wontonimo: *gasp*

Astrobytes: lol reCurse :)

Wontonimo: i'm not sure what you mean by "no such thing as multiplication" tutubalin

Wontonimo: signal amplification is multiplication

jacek: dot product uses multiplication

reCurse: You cannot predict the result of a multiplication with a regular NN

tutubalin: Wontonimo can a neuron multiply inputs on each other, not just on constant weights?

jacek: oO

tutubalin: or, can you train NN that given 2 inputs X and Y outputs their X*Y

reCurse: Mathematicians say no at least

Astrobytes: They always say no

awnion: depends =)

jacek: who would believe them

tutubalin: because NN is linear

awnion: not really

Wontonimo: add a non-linear layer

Wontonimo: relu tanh sigmoid ... sure it isn't x*y , but it isn't linear either

awnion: you can make Furie series coeffs and approximate almost every function NN will just guess coeffs and inputs

tutubalin: ok, you break linearity a bit

tutubalin: but you cannot make it polynomial

Wontonimo: completely and utterly. nn can solve xor.

tutubalin: how many layers do you need?

Wontonimo: 1 hidden. a 2-3-1 network

Wontonimo: and it can do x*y, first layer goes though log as the activation function, output is exp function

Wontonimo: exp( log(x) + log(y) ) = x*y

jacek: exp as activation?

Wontonimo: yeah

Wontonimo: i don't know why mathmaticians get so hung up on these kinds of things

Astrobytes: Correctness.

tutubalin: ok, that's nice idea

tutubalin: i just wonder, how it will work with training

Wontonimo: it's used in nearly every network in that has logistic regression. The loss function uses log loss and adds then, which is effectively saying

Wontonimo: we want to minimize the multiplication of all the errors

Wontonimo: log(x1) + log(x2) + log(x3) = log( x1*x2*x3 )

reCurse: I'm not a mathematician but the way I understood the argument is the boundary is the problem not the representation

tutubalin: how log works with zero and negative numbers?

reCurse: Another good point

Wontonimo: :D

SembeiNorimaki: are clash of code users real persons or bots? I always see the same people and it's unlikely that every day then are connected at the same time as me

tutubalin: SembeiNorimaki if it is level 7, then it is a bot

tutubalin: https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/clash/global?column=clashescount&value=DECREASING

Astrobytes: !blogbot clash

Astrobytes: oh dear, no handy bot

Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/blog/clash-of-code-time-has-come-for-clash/

Astrobytes: ^ explains the reasons

AntiSquid: no clash links ! /ban Astrobytes

Astrobytes: lol

Wontonimo: ya learn something every day. i didn't know CoC had bot ghosts. no wonder they no talk much

Astrobytes: :)

Devinawesley: This is such a neat site. Hadn't heard about it until the other day. Company I'm interviewing for sent me here

JLukeSkywalker: definitely a great site, GL!

Wontonimo: hope to see you around Devinawesley , how'd the interview go?

phly95: I'm using this site because of an employer too, but I am very rusty, so I'm learning how to do things before I do the interview stage.

Devinawesley: The initial interview went fantastically. I should be hearing back tomorrow to schedule the second interview

Devinawesley: I'm really hoping it all goes well. I'd be totally changing careers. Currently I'm in Automotive Quality.

Wontonimo: enjoy the Clash phly95 , but also check out the other things here. There are tons of bot battles and coding challenges

phly95: I'm mainly focused on practice right now.

bafian: im searching for a coding clash code that I couldn't do

bafian: but i don't find it

bafian: it was something like: in a school class two of the best friends of X sit somewhere and you had to find in the matrix the closest point to both for X to sit

timiscoding: bafian https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/53785ca9000f783f7bebd7289ebe8610e436