Andriamanitra: we can't see the solutions or the problem
Andriamanitra: but i wouldn't worry about the results that much, it's all in good fun
Andriamanitra: you can always learn ruby or perl if you want to have revenge on the javascripters :p
Wontonimo: ^
Wontonimo: +1
Thanushan: hello
brotatotes: YOOOOOOOOOOOO
likki1811: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1608601212358ffa99fdc4c8ce417124ace3e8f
Uljahn: likki1811: use #clash channel for posting CoC links
likki1811: oh sorry I'm new to this platform
Ajay-Bisht.7017.: hi
likki1811: hi ajay
Ajay-Bisht.7017.: hi what up
likki1811: are you a learner? or a professional?
idembele70: Me i'm here to learn :grinning: i don't know if you care
jacek: oO
ProCoder3: Can someone help me with Crystal rush , I am confused about how to make it dig
ProCoder3: can anyone give a gist of idea on how to do it
ProCoder3: ???
ProCoder3: thanks
AntiSquid: see statement
AntiSquid: just dig
AntiSquid: DIG
ProCoder3: Thanks @AntiSquad
Andriamanitra: anyone got some pro tips for debugging "unfolding paper" puzzle
Andriamanitra: all the simple test cases i can think of pass but i have some bugs in the big ones
Andriamanitra: ah, found it
Gargaz: How do I figure out why my syntax is invalid
Andriamanitra: depending on the language the error messages may be helpful
Gargaz: It's python
Gargaz: Psuedo code algorithm gives very vague help
Andriamanitra: are you getting any error message, maybe a line number?
Gargaz: SyntaxError: invalid syntax
at Answer.py. not in a function on line 24
Andriamanitra: did you try to do something that you can only do inside a function?
Andriamanitra: or maybe you forgot a colon somewhere?
Gargaz: Not sure, first two levels was easy enough to just edit the values in the code now I have to do a function I have no idea on how to do
bigfatnoob: guys how dou you increase thrust on coders strike back
Gargaz: edit the value
bigfatnoob: how
Gargaz: by changing it from 50 to 100
Gargaz: in the code
Gargaz: So... now I got the working if statement I think, but the "end if" satement returns a syntax error invalid syntax
Andriamanitra: there is no end if in python
jacek: python is eternal
Andriamanitra: you should probably look up some beginner guide on python and go through the first section to get a feel for the syntax.. it's all indentation based, no "end"s or "}"s
Gargaz: Fair enough, I did however think this was for beginners
Andriamanitra: well, yes, but you need to know some basics
Gargaz: Got an error now on a line I dont have
Gargaz: SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
at Answer.py. not in a function on line 28
Gargaz: My code has 26 lines
bigfatnoob: it just instantly ends as soon as i press start
George012GR: hey how do i learn c#
MSmits: many ways to do that. I learned it while scripting and modding for space engineers (a game)
Community-Bot: hii everyone
George012GR: thankis but where do i start learning about c#
sh4shI: hell yey
Rouli: can anyone help me with this : http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b09d28a6-e8cc-44b5-a0ce-1aed6dbc0f4b
Andriamanitra: looks like you're off to a good start, although the indentation is giving me nightmares
Andriamanitra: you'll need to handle the edge case where there's negative and positive temperature equally close to zero though
MSmits: nightmare on indentation street
Rouli: so you mean adding if statement like this ( if t>=0 and t<0) , right?
Rouli: Indentation because there's a loop code above :sweat_smile:
bigfatnoob: i cant do this bronze league level what is the code for it
AntiSquid: "this"
AntiSquid: which game ?
Rouli: analyze records of temperature to find the closest to zero.
Community-Bot: who nice game
bigfatnoob: coders strike back
AntiSquid: -3 velocity
Community-Bot: u can't borrow code from other hiledhuwsj
AntiSquid: you can add -3*velocity
bigfatnoob: but it like just ends intantly
AntiSquid: hiledhuwsj it only gets harder not easier
AntiSquid: that means you have a bug ! fix the bug
bigfatnoob: how
AntiSquid: by reading the code ? undoing the bugs you added ?
bigfatnoob: i reset the code
AntiSquid: or go to HISTORY and look at your previous submit and start over from there
Andriamanitra: @Rouli "t>=0 and t<0" is always false, t can't be both greater than or equal to zero and less than zero at the same time!
jacek: whats Community-Bot? :o o: :o
Westicles: He's come to help us with our problems, so he can be free
bigfatnoob: my cars are not moving in coders strike back
bigfatnoob: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
bigfatnoob: /me
**bigfatnoob slaps around a bit with a large fishbot
jacek: no fuel?
darkhorse64: no thrust ? no destination ?
jacek: no purpose in life
Rockstar555-tech: hii
sikr_: hello
AntiSquid: hii
GiorgosGiorgakis: why cant I progress in coders strike back
AntiSquid: rank too low or submit isn't finished
GiorgosGiorgakis: why does this always evaluates to true if( (done == 0) && (nextCheckpointDist == maxdist) && (runs>3) ){
cout << nextCheckpointX << " " << nextCheckpointY << " " << "BOOST" << endl;
done = 1;
}
GiorgosGiorgakis: wheres the debugger
jacek: cerr
mARIO-san: Failure
Found: lets dance
Expected: lets dance hmm
jacek: space in the end?
mARIO-san: nope i checked
jacek: did they expect the hmm?
mARIO-san: the hmm was me pondering
mARIO-san: Failure
Found: lets dance
Expected: lets dance
Codin.Gamer: hii everyone whatsup
GiorgosGiorgakis: I beat the boss in coders strike back back I cant advance the leagues
mARIO-san: figured it out. It didnt like that i was printing chars but he expected a single string
AntiSquid: GiorgosGiorgakis and you have a complete submit ?
GiorgosGiorgakis: yes that was the problem
GiorgosGiorgakis: now im rank 1 itll probably advance now
GiorgosGiorgakis: I have only the button test in arena
GiorgosGiorgakis: nah still wood
GiorgosGiorgakis: :D
AntiSquid: did you just resubmit ?
GiorgosGiorgakis: I only have the button TEST IN ARENA
AntiSquid: so the answer is yes
GiorgosGiorgakis: yes I pressed it again :o
AntiSquid: and then you complain you can't advance :D
GiorgosGiorgakis: does it advance on it's own?
GiorgosGiorgakis: I went to rank 1 but it didnt advance
AntiSquid: in the IDE click leaderboard and read text at the top
AntiSquid: or maybe it doesn't show anymore when you get promoted, anyway you need a complete submit
GiorgosGiorgakis: so submit = test in arena button
AntiSquid: you should see something like "those better than the boss will be promoted at ..."
AntiSquid: and that only happens at 100% submit, so just wait ?
GiorgosGiorgakis: ok it advanced now
GiorgosGiorgakis: i have a laggy laptop
GiorgosGiorgakis: :v:
AntiSquid: :boom:
TySon2: hii i am new to codingame any body tell me about it
oohIsniffcpp: Well, short answer: You code in games
darkhorse64: https://www.codingame.com/faq
bigfatnoob: ive won finnaly
Kitkat260: morning
Wontonimo: morning
Kitkat260: hru
Wontonimo: and good afternoon to my euro friends
Kitkat260: wru from?
Wontonimo: my mother. you?
Kitkat260: NYC
baguettes: wat dat
Wontonimo: it's the place where NYCF comes froms
Kitkat260: new york city
Wontonimo: the big apple
oohIsniffcpp: lol it's night here
Kitkat260: nice
AntiSquid: starry sky ?
Kitkat260: anyone want to be code buddies
Wontonimo: how so?
oohIsniffcpp: cloudy.
Kitkat260: cause i'm lonely
Wontonimo: is there a coding challenge or a bot competition you are working on?
Wontonimo: (on this site)
Kitkat260: yes
Kitkat260: clash of code
jacek: is it :notebook: :soccer:
Kitkat260: @jacek hi
jacek: good afternoon, Sir/Madam
Wontonimo: Kitkat260 I'm tired of CoC. If you want to take a look at some of the practice or compete items, I'd be happy to help if you get stuck on one
Kitkat260: ok
Kitkat260: @and i'm a gal
Wontonimo: In practice, the easy puzzles will take a lot longer than the CoC. CoC is designed to be about a max of 15 min per puzzle. The easy puzzles will take you a lot longer each. If you find CoC challenging, then they could take a few hours each.
Kitkat260: ok
Wontonimo: The first practice puzzle I recommend to everyone is https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/mars-lander-episode-1 I found it really fun when i started and it got me hooked
Kitkat260: plz join
Kitkat260: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1609047769cbd27452f8a4bf63bc302f7243683
MSmits: no clash link here
Wontonimo: ^ there's a channel on discord for those
MSmits: #clash
Wontonimo: ^
Kitkat260: im on a school chromebook
MSmits: sorry to hear that
Kitkat260: and.....
MSmits: thats it
Kitkat260: ok
Kitkat260: can u join soo i can get help
MSmits: sorry, i dont clash
Wontonimo: i've been meaning to pick up a chromebook for a while... the thought of portability, chrominess, and then I remember I don't leave my desk ever
AntiSquid: that's why we don't have clash links here, not everyone enjoys clash but some people will spam the link until others join (never)
Wontonimo: i mean, why do i even work on a laptop when I sit here for 14 hours a day?
MSmits: i dont like the idea of only being dependend on chrome addons
MSmits: dependent
MSmits: also its bad for your back/neck to stare downwards for hours
Kitkat260: nvm
Wontonimo: (that sounds like the beginning of a joke)
ratasorin: i am a pro fortnite player
ratasorin: lmao
MSmits: think i missed the punchline
Kitkat260: hi
AntiSquid: maybe fortnite is the joke ?
ratasorin: = 0lmao no
Wontonimo: MSmits its bad for your back/neck to stare downwards for hours... that's what ___ said?
ratasorin: lmao
Kitkat260: no
AntiSquid: too many lmao per second
ratasorin: lmao
MSmits: you measured it?
Kitkat260: ratasorin want to be my friend
Wontonimo: stop it MSmits !
Wontonimo: omg
MSmits: i was referring to AntiSquid :P
ratasorin: i love daddy
AntiSquid: 4 in one minute, so 0.2
ratasorin: lmao
ratasorin: make that more
AntiSquid: 0.05 sorry
ratasorin: lmaooo
Kitkat260: hello
AntiSquid: nvm ... wrong again, too distracted T_T
Kitkat260: i'm lonely
Wontonimo: so, i didn't convince you to drop your CoC addiction Kitkat260 ?
MSmits: you can easily code a calculator in python AntiSquid. I did this with my students
AntiSquid: didn't sleep enough i think
RAWAN_REDDY: can some1 help me with binary problem
Wontonimo: link?
RAWAN_REDDY: to find if a number has zeroes in bin representation
RAWAN_REDDY: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/1609038cbbb8d37da0ef9342295307e35da02b1
MSmits: problem = 1. problem ^= 1 -> problem = 0
RAWAN_REDDY: how do i share the problem here
DJSchaffner: check if the number & however many bits you have set to one equals to zero or not
Kitkat260: ok @wontonimo
RAWAN_REDDY: some help me understand this pls
AntiSquid: you should do coc on your own
Wontonimo: it looks like it is complete and done.
RAWAN_REDDY: its over just trying to understand others solution
AntiSquid: screenshot the statement i guess ?
RAWAN_REDDY: print(str(-~a&a==0).lower())
RAWAN_REDDY: what does this do
struct: a = 5
struct: str(6&5==0)
struct: .lower()
RAWAN_REDDY: ok i see & work bit wise
RAWAN_REDDY: what is this '-~'
struct: -~5 = 6
struct: ~-5 = 4
struct: it increases number by one
RAWAN_REDDY: ` reverses
RAWAN_REDDY: - is subtraction
RAWAN_REDDY: meaning
AntiSquid: is it this ? https://www.tutorialspoint.com/What-is-tilde-operator-in-Python
RAWAN_REDDY: i got reverses
RAWAN_REDDY: ok thank you guys
RAWAN_REDDY: gr8 got it
DJSchaffner: oh wow i was wondering if i was blind but the font here just seems to mess up the tilde for me
RAWAN_REDDY: yea it does
RAWAN_REDDY: i was think the same
AntiSquid: you need large screen, works fine for me :P
RAWAN_REDDY: lol
AntiSquid: had same issue on smaller screens
struct: nah
struct: its font related
AntiSquid: oh ok
Wontonimo: For example
>>> [ -~x&x for x in range(10) ]
[0, 0, 2, 0, 4, 4, 6, 0, 8, 8]
Wontonimo: (oh, sorry, coversation moved on)
AntiSquid: why the .lower() ?
RAWAN_REDDY: actually i still didnt get it
RAWAN_REDDY: lower is part of question dont worry about it
Wontonimo: i think the answer needed "true" or "false" , but
[ -~x&x==0 for x in range(10) ]
[True, True, False, True, False, False, False, True, False, False]
returns camel case
AntiSquid: ah ok just checked
Kitkat260: /me
AntiSquid: RAWAN_REDDY check the link i shared earlier
Wontonimo: i'll have to remember "-~x" for golf
RAWAN_REDDY: yeah am trying to figure compliment
Kitkat260: is anyone lonely or is it just me
AntiSquid: look up bit representation then i guess
RAWAN_REDDY: yea at it rn
DJSchaffner: why not use +1 / -1 though? first time i see this and trying to understand the reason. the order of execution should even be the same and its more clear what it does
Wontonimo: that's code golf for you. readability isn't the point
DJSchaffner: yeah but a+1 is the same length as -~a
AntiSquid: less magical
DJSchaffner: i mean if it did actually shorten the statement i would understand
Wontonimo: your words are true, both of you
RoboStac: there are cases where operator precedence makes -~ shorter (eg doubling x+1 needs (x+1)*2 as opposed to -~x*2) so maybe whoever it was just always does -~x to increment
RAWAN_REDDY: wow
RAWAN_REDDY: nice
RAWAN_REDDY: thanks
Wontonimo: don't put that in any real code, just saying. golf only
baguettes: UBODMAS or UPEMDAS for programming ;)
baguettes: U for unary
Grizzlyslayer: sup ppl
struct: it is interesting how it works
struct: ~5 flips the bits and becomes -6
struct: - -6 becomes 6
Andriamanitra: how do you even write javascript with a broken numpad if you're not allowed to do -~-~-~-~-~null
Andriamanitra: it's also nice because you don't need to remember what the numbers look like you can just type -~ every time you want one more
Kitkat260: anyone good at history
Wontonimo: MSmits that refactoring was a pain. Now just double check nothing broke (no change in sim/sec yet), and now it's time to refactor for static allocation of nodes.
jacek: you use nodes pool now?
UnnamedCodinGamer: I am thinking of making a mcts playground on tech.io. I have implemented it on ordinary tic tac toe with simple to read code
UnnamedCodinGamer: does that make any sense?
MSmits: yeah it can be a lot of work to refactor an 1k line bot
MSmits: try a 2k line bot, even worse :P
jacek: plot twist: 2k line python bot
MSmits: ugh
MSmits: I can imagine that
MSmits: line 663.... now was this an integer or a float ?
UnnamedCodinGamer: The idea is to test and play around with the algorithm
MSmits: who renamed automaton?
MSmits: oh i missed your earlier message
MSmits: seemed out of the blue
MSmits: sure, mcts playground is good, but i think it exists already
UnnamedCodinGamer: does it?
MSmits: i think euler wrote one? Or someone else
MSmits: yeah
UnnamedCodinGamer: I did not find it on tech.io
struct: its just a code snippet
struct: not a playground
Valdez001: good morning
MSmits: oh ok
struct: hi
UnnamedCodinGamer: yes, I have seen it and could not make much sense of it
MSmits: well you can always make a better one UnnamedCodinGamer
MSmits: it would nice to have
MSmits: be
jacek: nice to be?
struct: nice to have be
UnnamedCodinGamer: I recently managed to implement mcts and to get it to work as expected
MSmits: it would be nice to have :P
UnnamedCodinGamer: then I returned to a previous attempt where I tried it with tic tac toe
UnnamedCodinGamer: now it works
struct: Add solver to it :)
UnnamedCodinGamer: and just wanted to share it, so that others have an example
Astrobytes: Seems like a good idea. A lot of people ask about it here in chat
UnnamedCodinGamer: yes
UnnamedCodinGamer: I think just reading from different sources it can be confusing
UnnamedCodinGamer: for me it was
Astrobytes: It's easier for us to give help in optimising it if people already understand the algo.
Astrobytes: And yes, I was the same initially.
UnnamedCodinGamer: yes, definately
MSmits: very true
Astrobytes: Is there an article on MCTS solver? Did jacek cover that in his one?
N-ONE: how to study for college and improve yourself in the field ?
anyone knows how ? i am sick of college stuff
UnnamedCodinGamer: there are articles
jacek: i didnt do anything for solver
jacek: and a paper
Astrobytes: oh it was meta MCTS
Astrobytes: Yeah I know there are papers, I meant on tech.io
jacek: jacekmax has implied solver
UnnamedCodinGamer: but they did not give you the implementation details
UnnamedCodinGamer: I think where I was wrong was for instance how to treat end game nodes
Astrobytes: afk for a bit, bbl
UnnamedCodinGamer: https://tech.io/snippet/2oI54uz
UnnamedCodinGamer: is this understandable enough?
struct: A bit different from my code
struct: I dont store state
struct: or uct value on nodes
UnnamedCodinGamer: yes, it is something like proof of concept code
UnnamedCodinGamer: it can be optimized a lot
UnnamedCodinGamer: the idea is to see how it works
UnnamedCodinGamer: to check node visit counts
UnnamedCodinGamer: play with the number of iterations
CMIKAIL: (__)
Kitkat260: hi
Jaminima: bonjour
Wontonimo: jacek "you use nodes pool now?" Just implemented it minutes ago. No performance change yet :(
jacek: should be easier to reuse tree now
Wontonimo: true, and I'm excited to implement the tree reuse... just a little sad that after all that refactoring and memory savings, the benefits were eaten up with board calculations
Wontonimo: ah, all my hyperparameters were tuned for the old architecture ... gotta retune
jacek: *5 years later*
MasterCoderxD: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1609299236fc7e6ee4be9171a25aea2211cd7a8
MasterCoderxD: #clash
Wontonimo: yeah, it sure feels like 5 years, but fortunately it only takes about 1 hour.
Kitkat260: hi
reCurse: Wontonimo: You are always bound by your weakest link, sometimes the right steps only pay off later when you fix some of the others.
jacek: teach us sensei
Wontonimo: reCurse words of wisdom for sure
Wontonimo: also, i'm looking forward to porting the tree reuse and solver from my c++ to my gMCTS npm package once it's done an proves itself
jacek: gMCTS?
jacek: npm? :scream:
-oa-: i
-oa-: ^ supposed to go to insert mode in editor, sorri for spam
jacek: oO
Wontonimo: you no like npm jacek ?
brandonFaf: If there was a coding problem that i didn't get to finish and i wanted to keep trying it locally, is there a way to find the prompt/tests to do that?
jacek: sounds like js
Wontonimo: brandonFaf not something that is directly supported within CG.
reCurse: Isn't there a euler tool for that
Wontonimo: if you know the name of the clash, you can look it up with the tool
Wontonimo: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
brandonFaf: dang i didn't think to look at the name, i just have the id of the clash. Thats still helpful though. Thanks
Astrobytes: you can search by keywords you remember from the description of the problem too
Toby75: A question - why does my RegEx in JS apply to all occurences in a string, even though it ist not using a global flag??
Toby75: I tested it on another ide and it worked perfectly
Wontonimo: show code of each test plz
Toby75: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/873805aa9f16bc6eb2a53fdd8753ad5e22c8ca
Toby75: Code ist here: https://pastebin.com/NFHtbnN1
Toby75: please just lmk if someone knows why it replaces every single zero even though there is no global flag
Wontonimo: the pastebin link is blocked for me for security reasons
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fb586c6c-9ebb-423d-843e-2f8440fc885b
jacek: maybe they are protecting you from js insanity
reCurse: Well you ask it to match between 1 and 3 zeros greedily
Toby75: i have really no idea, regex ist confusing me again
reCurse: Do you have a specific test case
Toby75: reCurse yeah - but it should replace the first one to three zeros in a block
Toby75: it even replaces the zeros that are in the center of the block
Toby75: but normaly it should not do that - it ist not using a global flag for the expression
reCurse: But you loop over the blocks? I don't get it
Toby75: I loop over every block, and the purpose of the regex ist to replace the first one to three zeros
Toby75: but if the block does not start with a zero, it should do nothing
reCurse: Yeah but you didn't tell it that
reCurse: You just said match any sequence of 1 to 3 zeros greedily
reCurse: Well, the first one it finds
reCurse: But you did not specify start of string
Toby75: no - then I would need /g at the end
reCurse: Sorry I worded badly
reCurse: It matches the first sequence of 1 to 3 zeros greedily
reCurse: But you didn't say start of string
Toby75: yeah starting from the begining of the string
reCurse: So it will pick the first one it finds anywhere in the string from the start
reCurse: You didn't specify start of string, again
reCurse: That would be /^[0]{1,3}/
Toby75: I thought it always starts at the begining of the string when there ist no /g flag
reCurse: Use regex101.com to help
reCurse: No, g flag only means it will match many times
reCurse: Means nothing about start of string, that's what ^ is for
Toby75: aight thank you
reCurse: :+1:
Toby75: still kinda weird because it used to work on my local node
Toby75: so i thought it had a problem with node version or something like that
Wontonimo: regex is super powerful and available in lots of programming languages! I think it is under appreciated. For sure any skill you gain with it will help you in other langs
reCurse: *visible restraint*
Wontonimo: come on reCurse ... i wanna hear it
reCurse: Nah don't get me started
reCurse: Have a meeting soon anyway
Wontonimo: IM TRYING !
jacek: so a programmer had a problem...
Kitkat260: hi
Wontonimo: hi again Kitkat260, you try mars lander?
Wontonimo: also https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back is fun and fairly easy to get started on
BlaiseEbuth: Hey there! I've a contribution in validation since some time, and considering the amount of pending CoC, and the propensity of a lot of people (including me) to flee away from this section of the site, I fear my poor puzzle could wait for a long time to be validated... So come test it ! https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/604871ef9e9b4cf2bd697ae702e34b37c792
jacek: youre feeling?
Wontonimo: oh, i remember reading this one and thinking about it
Marchete: you still have 12 days left to validate :)
jacek: too long; didn't read lol
BlaiseEbuth: "Be long enough to make flee people unable to read and gather informations." Check.
jacek: im from instant gratification generation
jacek: make this puzzle selfsolvable
BlaiseEbuth: I'm against people who does not read puzzle's statement and wonder why their code does not pass the tests. This puzzle is designed to make them suffer.
jacek: anticeg puzzle?
Wontonimo: haha. Also, it's classified as hard, so I personally think having a long problem statement is okay. time reading it vs time solving the problem isn't out of proportion
Jstn123: hi
Tusuke: a
Aidanr: im new to coding so im not quite good anyone explain to me?
Dom9543: can someone help me with the tic tac toe AI code, i did the first two bits but when i add a third one, it displays an error. pls help
Wontonimo: first two bits ?
Dom9543: line of code
Aidanr: im tryna kill all the enemies in c# but i can't figure out how to kill them all?
Wontonimo: Aidanr are you talking about the onboarding puzzle?
jrke: Aidanr which game?
Aidanr: Onboarding ye
jrke: thats tutorial
Aidanr: ik im new
jrke: just print position of nearest enemy from you
Wontonimo: restart it and read the help text, it's very helpful
Aidanr: im doing c# it wants me to shoot them all i think
Aidanr: ok thanks
jacek: once per loop
Wontonimo: don't over think it
Aidanr: ok thank you
Wontonimo: Dom9543 i'm guessing you just started ultimate tic tac toe, or is it another puzzle?
jacek: another uttt victim
Dom9543: no i quited that one
Dom9543: im solving a new one
jrke: which one?
Wontonimo: winners never quit, and quitters never win, but those who never quit and never win are idiots
Dom9543: no i dont need help thank you
Wontonimo: right now i'm in the idiot camp of uttt it seems
kovi: you won!
kovi: (tomino)
kovi: tonimo sorry
jacek: :drum:
Dom9543: when i have more knowlage of AI coding i will come back to that
Wontonimo: haha
Wontonimo: i like it!
Jstn123: me too
Wontonimo: the MCTS solver looks really straight forward. Am i missing something? It's almost obvious (in hindsight o/c). Did anyone run into a gotcha while implementing it?
jacek: it is straightforward. just the paper is rather messy
jacek: maybe draws can be tricky
Notgoodatcoding5: Hi
Notgoodatcoding5: How is everyone?
JohnathanBarbee: I'm in the process of trying to implement it now to my bot in UTTT. I'm trying to roll my own method without copy-pasting and I've been debugging for about a week and a half now.
jacek: new craze for uttt eh
JohnathanBarbee: I found it about a month ago and it's pretty fun
Wontonimo: are you writing unit tests JohnathanBarbee ?
JohnathanBarbee: I'm going through each section and unit testing now. Right now I have a huge bug where the solver takes more than 81 turns and still, doesn't have a game fully played. I'm trying to figure out how that's possible
Wontonimo: i've got about x2 the number of lines of unit tests than actual uttt code
JohnathanBarbee: I bet so. I wish we had breakpoints so I could analyze each step in the loop
Wontonimo: oh, what? how is the solver anything other than no turns?
Wontonimo: what does your solver do?
JohnathanBarbee: I think it's either incorrectly labeling moves or repeating moves. Not sure which one
Wontonimo: is your solver doing minimax or something? my plan is to just use mcts with infinities in nodes
JohnathanBarbee: I did have my own custom method to break into Gold. Now I'm rewriting everything to use MCTS.
JohnathanBarbee: First time using MCTS and first time using BitVector32 in C#, so I knew it was an uphill battle at first.
Wontonimo: ah. Similar, I started with python and a custom MCTS-ish-thing to get to silver, then rewrote
Wontonimo: have you profiled/instrumented your code locally?
JohnathanBarbee: No. I don't want to have to write a test environment, but I thought about doing it one weekend
Wontonimo: no test environment needed! (well not much anyway). For instrumentation I hardcoded the first move to -1 -1 and set the time allowed to 10 seconds then quit after. During that time, i open up instrumentation and BAMB! you get a fabulous breakdown of where you are spending cpu time
jacek: i.e. for calculating log for every children
Wontonimo: yeah, i was calculating log for every child (but I missed that one and had to be told)
Kitkat260: suup
Astrobytes: Could you possibly expand your vocabulary from variations of 'sup' and 'hi'
JohnathanBarbee: You've convinced me to test locally. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight!
jacek: eeyup
struct: Aye
Kitkat260: hi Johnathan
JohnathanBarbee: Hey
Kitkat260: hru
Astrobytes: Sometimes I really hate this webchat, laters
Kitkat260: why
Wontonimo: good luck JohnathanBarbee, let me know how it goes
Kitkat260: Does anyone want to be friends with me?
jacek: friendship is magic
Kitkat260: how
Wontonimo: JohnathanBarbee here's my python test harness code https://gist.github.com/panchishin/14fd14e57b517528fbc4a52f1167d2de
Wontonimo: I reused by uttt code to make a "check_winner" which uses all the same logic but instead of outputting a move, it outputs "WINNER IS 1" or 2, or "UNDECIDED"
tridvajedan: should i switch from java to pythom
tridvajedan: n*
struct: or you can use brutal tester
struct: https://github.com/dreignier/cg-brutaltester
struct: depends on what you are trying to do
Wontonimo: oh, if only i knew of that 2 weeks ago
struct: you can still use I guess
struct: you can even run multiple games at once
Wontonimo: don't use mine, use brutaltester. Just read through it, it's way better.
Hamgi: how are you guys doiiiiing !!!!!
Kitkat260: hi!!!!
Kitkat260: hru
Hamgi: good just listening to some deep house music
Kitkat260: nice
jacek: deep learning house music?
Hamgi: no just normal deep house
Hamgi: here it is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlVd82QgACg
Kitkat260: @Hamgi want to be friends?
Hamgi: sure why not
Kitkat260: nice
Kitkat260: check ur msg
jacek: oO
Wontonimo: Ôo
Kitkat260: really
Wontonimo: Poll time - which bot battle did you have the most fun with (I'm looking for a recommendation for my March focus)?
Tron Battle , Spring Challenge 2020 , Great Escape , Poker Chip Race , These ones are nos
jacek: breakthrough :?
Kitkat260: goood night
PatrickMcGinnisII: Ghost in the Cell
Wontonimo: i thought breakthrough was coming ... yeah, i love the simplicity of the rules
struct: CSB
jacek: yinsh :v
Wontonimo: did you enjoy CSB more than other games struct ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: struct didn't say yinsh, lol
Astrobytes: never mind that, jacek didn't say paper soccer
jacek: rock football
struct: I enjoyed it, also you can learn some new stuff on it
struct: I learned avx by trying it on CSB
Astrobytes: scissor snooker
struct: I never recommend Yinsh
Wontonimo: good point
struct: PCR is fun, but is harder imo
struct: to create a decent sim
struct: or you can try FB
struct: which is the best multi here
Astrobytes: Is that official? :)
struct: Fantastic Bits
struct: imo its the best
struct: Dont think we will ever see another physics contest
Astrobytes: Maybe not even another contest as we know them . . .
jacek: phew
PatrickMcGinnisII: FB is good for method overloading, polymorphism ... which is still a difficult concept for me
Astrobytes: Such a C programmer :P
jacek: no polymorphism in php?
Wontonimo: not just regular morphism, poly-morphin
Astrobytes: He's a Mighty Poly-Morphism Stranger
PatrickMcGinnisII: there are ways, but inline defs aren't really a php thing
PatrickMcGinnisII: stranger ... tx god I'm not a BDSM ranger
Astrobytes: Heh heh!
PatrickMcGinnisII: tron is easy to get legend in, but watching GitC games makes it the most fun for me
Jstn123: hi
Wontonimo: i have yet seen a legit good use of polymorphism other than as an example of what not to do
Astrobytes: Most of the games are fun tbh, it's worth just going through them and seeing what sticks
Astrobytes: As it's highly subjective as to which is best/most fun
PatrickMcGinnisII: Yinsh kills my brain on so many levels
Wontonimo: oh ... sorry ... i don't know why i was thinking multiple inheritance ... totally different rant. poly your morphs all you want
Astrobytes: something something deadly diamonds
Wontonimo: maybe daydrinking is not for me
Astrobytes: Your pished?
Astrobytes: *You're
Wontonimo: if i was, at least i'd have an excuse for mixing oo terms i use on the daily for 20 years. sigh... hands type faster than the brain somethings
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: We're only human
PatrickMcGinnisII: COIF may be good for day drinking
PatrickMcGinnisII: ;)
Wontonimo: i'm a bit tired of CSB. I started on CG without really knowing how hardcore you people get on some games and didn't bother coding locally for the first couple months. So, although I never wrote anything serious for CSB, it feels tired to me. but you make a good point struct
Astrobytes: It's one of those things you go back to, imo
PatrickMcGinnisII: wth is PCR?
Astrobytes: Poker Chip Race
MSmits: Wontonimo, you say "you guys" but the people who get "hardcore" on games are a very small subset
MSmits: they're just overrepresented on worldchat
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh yes, I didn't enjoy PCR
Astrobytes: 5% some say...
MSmits: I did, besides the extreme amount of coding of the sim
MSmits: if the game was easier to sim, it would be better
PatrickMcGinnisII: smitsimax bloomed on CSB i believe
MSmits: also PCR
MSmits: out of top 4, 3 are smitsimax
MSmits: including nr 1 i think
Wontonimo: hey, MSmits, have you heard of smitsimax?
MSmits: yes
Wontonimo: hahaha
Wontonimo: ;)
MSmits: i wish i thought of a more descriptive name though :P
MSmits: I was just trying to be funny during the contest where i first used the algo
Wontonimo: too late
MSmits: yup
Astrobytes: was that Kutulu?
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: man, that seems like decades ago
MSmits: it does
Astrobytes: It's that CG time dilation again
MSmits: I have mixed feelings though. I liked the contests, but they were also very stressful for me, i preferred the downtime between contests actually
MSmits: then i could take my time with some multi
Astrobytes: That's simply because you can't resist going all-in
MSmits: correct
Wontonimo: This one coming will be my virgin contest event. i booked time off work and everything
Wontonimo: don't let me down
MSmits: thats what i did
MSmits: made sure all my work was done as far as that was possible
MSmits: sometimes it jusr wasnt, especially when the contest happened during exam week
MSmits: that ice and fire contest, i only coded half the week and promoted legend at the end of sunday, midnight, 10 hrs before end of contest
Astrobytes: I suppose it's easier to take time of now it's only 2 per year, whether it's worth it now remains to be seen
MSmits: my submit went all the way to rank 17... never been happier in a contest
Astrobytes: *off
MSmits: well i cant actually take time off, its more shifting work around
Astrobytes: Sure you did something similar in another contest too
MSmits: i cant shift it for more than a week or 2, so it doesnt matter for me
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: ooc
MSmits: i was bored with the contest, went away for weeks
MSmits: then had a sprint in final weekend
Astrobytes: Right enough
MSmits: i think i was somewhere top 40
Astrobytes: It was long though, a month?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: with locam i took it much more seriously
MSmits: went all in for 4 weeks, but after 2 weeks i did not get much improvement
MSmits: even kept coding on vacation, trying things
Astrobytes: yeah, in the hotel lobby or something iirc
MSmits: under the blankets, hotel room dark except for that light spot in the middle, me and my laptop operating cg bench
MSmits: that too
Astrobytes: lol, under the blankets like a child reading books by torchlight
MSmits: exactly
Astrobytes: I was one of those kids lol
Wontonimo: so ... Tron is easy to get legend. CSB is different (read NNs). Fantastic Bits is where to find them. PRC is hard but fun.
MSmits: last time i was on vacation i was obsessed with othello, the one before that i was doing puzzles to learn python, seems i am always coding
MSmits: Wontonimo please help me reach legend with tron :P
MSmits: still havent
Astrobytes: Hence the CS training ;)
Astrobytes: re. seems i am always coding
MSmits: yeah
Wontonimo: MSmits that's back to the metagame challenge : play in a league for the purpose of promoting others and making sure you dont
MSmits: ah right
Astrobytes: I might need to find a new career myself, the pharma regulatory is not good for me here now
darkhorse64: MSmits: Tron legend is 80 lines of Python
MSmits: how so
Wontonimo: i kinda would like to be able to revert back to previous leagues if i choose too
MSmits: yeah i think i did something wrong darkhorse64
struct: FB legend is <100 lines of code
Astrobytes: PI businesses are having to move to EU to get anything done
MSmits: i have a 14 depth minimax
MSmits: still gold
darkhorse64: I have a depth 1
MSmits: Astrobytes that sucks
Astrobytes: Brexit for ya
MSmits: ah yea
darkhorse64: FB legend under 100 LOC ! Wow ! Only ifs. I got gold with ifs and switch to GA
Astrobytes: Time to learn a framework and get a job as a code monkey
MSmits: maybe struct codes really long lines
Wontonimo: and golfs them
struct: let me check
darkhorse64: with UTF16
Astrobytes: 2000 line bot in 100 lines of japanese chars
Astrobytes: *symbols
MSmits: mmmh how would that work
MSmits: dont they only go in strings?
struct: ok its 120 lines
Astrobytes: don't be so literal
Astrobytes: :P
struct: with 6? ifs?
MSmits: yes literals
MSmits: thats what i meant
MSmits: :P
Wontonimo: :)
MSmits: struct, why do you need 120 lines for 6 ifs
MSmits: 100 lines of comment?
struct: reading inputs
Wontonimo: he didn't want loops
MSmits: ah
struct: also I calculate distance
struct: and some other stuff
Astrobytes: Legend with that? Nice. I know it's doable without sim + search but that's impressive.
MSmits: velocity
struct: no
struct: I just check if ball is alligned to goal
MSmits: ah ok
struct: So I can use flipendo
PatrickMcGinnisII: just read the loca, post mortem, some of the NN strategies are very interesting
PatrickMcGinnisII: loca=locam
MSmits: is a nn nr 1?
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: nice clobber bot, what's your approach? ab or mcts?
MSmits: wait huh
darkhorse64: you like my boss ?
Wontonimo: oh PatrickMcGinnisII you suggested Ghost in the cell. thanks. Noone liked anything from my list. That's very interesting
MSmits: gitc is fun
MSmits: not easy to write a seach for though
MSmits: search
darkhorse64: Just kidding, mcts
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: the boss is some random crap
Astrobytes: Nice.
Jstn123: I need some help coding. Is there anyone who can teach me
**Astrobytes flees
MSmits: I remembered I need to go do that thing in the thing with the thingy
reCurse: Sorry cat is on fire brb
struct: o.o
AntiSquid: ^ don't overcook it
MSmits: don't smoke near the cat
Astrobytes: *don't let the cat smoke
MSmits: and that
jacek: who let the cats out?
PatrickMcGinnisII: the cat smokes AFTER you put her fire out
MSmits: :scream_cat:
Astrobytes: who let the cats out? meow, meow-meow-meow...
Wontonimo: Jstn123 the challenges here mostly assume you have the basics down, like if statements and loops.
AntiSquid: Jstn123 the secrets of the universe can be unlocked by googling this passphrase: lmgtfy
Jstn123: what
Jstn123: thank you?
Wontonimo: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=learn+basic+programming
AntiSquid: thank the galactic spirit
Jstn123: who
Astrobytes: oh that's where lmgtfy went
tibithegreat: I clicked on the link because I waned to see what the animation looks like
Jstn123: oooh ok
tibithegreat: and google now probably thinks I want to learn basic programming
tibithegreat: I'm probably gonna get some weird ads the next few days
Jstn123: yep
MSmits: google thinks I want to learn to work the stockmarket and buy/sell houses
Astrobytes: Nothing wrong with throwing them off the scent ;)
MSmits: i have 0 interest in that
MSmits: but keep getting the adds, for months now
darkhorse64: adblock saves your time and your bandwidth
Jstn123: who codes using lua
Astrobytes: Absolutely no one.
AntiSquid: i think it was from the Foundation Trilogy, not sure anymore, but you should definitely read it Jstn123
reCurse: ublock origin
reCurse: adblock and ublock are riddled with bad stuff
Jstn123: what about java, anyone use that
MSmits: what bad stuff?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Wontonimo some basic algorithms to have in your arsenal are mostly pathfinding, like dfs, dijkstra ... but alot of times with these contests bruteforcing, mcts, alphabeta min max, etc. is all about maximizing nodes... ok ill shutup, i never get large number of nodes
Wontonimo: tibithegreat nice jump in rank on uttt
struct: 3 billion devices
AntiSquid: lua is used for cheatengine scripts Astrobytes !
reCurse: lmgtfy ;)
struct: iirc adblock sells data if you dont opt out
MSmits: do quality nodes instead of quantity PatrickMcGinnisII
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: it has it's uses, that and Roblox I suppose. You were correct about Foundation btw
tibithegreat: Wontonimo the only change I made was that I was running iteration until 95 ms passed from the turn time
MSmits: have the bestest nodes
tibithegreat: and I changed it to 99
AntiSquid: well ublock origin is from the actual creator
Wontonimo: @PatrickMcGinnisII thanks. Yeah thats good stuff !
Jstn123: everyone here is nice, I like that
PatrickMcGinnisII: I had to google lmgtfy
reCurse: rip
Astrobytes: 'ded'
MSmits: :door:
Wontonimo: tibithegreat i've got mine set to 98ms and it is just enough to not time out. HAve you tried pushing it closer and watched the replays to make sure you arn't getting dropped?
Jstn123: can some one go on marslander with me
MSmits: that one looks like tombstone/crypt door to me
Wontonimo: tibithegreat oh, sorry, didn't read your update
Astrobytes: Jstn123: I'm low on gas and you don't have a spacesuit
Jstn123: lol
tibithegreat: Wontonimo I just pushed it to 99, did a few matches against a default AI
AntiSquid: Astrobytes ah yes it is, that book is awesome i wish they'd made it into a movie, TV series without butchering it, but that's too much to ask
tibithegreat: saw it was good
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: Weren't they doing it?
Westicles: All that psychohistory business was a little sketchy
Jstn123: byeguys be back in maybe 10
MSmits: see ya in 10 days
AntiSquid: idk, got to check
Astrobytes: Was of its time I suppose
PatrickMcGinnisII: So SOMEONE made me download IntelliJ... is anyone currently using google adMob? I mean, does it really make any $?
AntiSquid: are you sure Westicles ? it's very well explained + you should check out stuff like this https://massivesci.com/articles/brain-brain-interfaces-mind-control/
MSmits: is this a maffia thing PatrickMcGinnisII?
PatrickMcGinnisII: adserver for mobile apps/games
MSmits: join google adMob.... or sleep with the fishes
Westicles: I always wondered if Popper wrote The Poverty of Historicism after reading Foundation
AntiSquid: some no longer secret US research was dealing with reprogramming people with just light signals ... crazy
MSmits: works fine
MSmits: i see students all the time getting reprogrammed with that rectangle that gives off light they're always looking at
Wontonimo: that concept of reprogramming with light really got into mainstream movies
Astrobytes: Intriguing theory westicles
Astrobytes: *idea
Astrobytes: Yeah MSmits
PatrickMcGinnisII: AntiSquid MKUltra lol. LMDR is shown to be innefective w/o the use of drugs
Wontonimo: Foundation series was fun. inspiration to a few nice space rpgs
MSmits: I've been rewatching the series 24
MSmits: they use a lot of drugs in interrogations
Astrobytes: Wat
AntiSquid: easy fix imo PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh another Asimov fan
Astrobytes: We've been directly and indirectly talking about Asimov (spec. Foundation) for the last 5 minutes PatrickMcGinnisII
UnnamedCodinGamer: first three books of the Foundation series were good
UnnamedCodinGamer: then it got a bit watered down
PatrickMcGinnisII: I need a nuclear powered throne
UnnamedCodinGamer: but great imagination
AntiSquid: it got a bit weird :D
Astrobytes: Oh hey UnnamedCodinGamer: did you start your MCTS tutorial tech.io thing?
UnnamedCodinGamer: no, not yet
Wontonimo: what's that?
AntiSquid: i thought biological internet of things at galactic scale is cool
elderlybeginner: when and how do you eject in codebusters?
struct: you dont know tech io Wontonimo?
Astrobytes: It was a bit of a mindf**k after the first 3 it's true
UnnamedCodinGamer: but I shared the link in the chat
Wontonimo: struct nope, but now i do
struct: i guess cg is doing something wrong then
Wontonimo: UnnamedCodinGamer are you making a MCTS tutorial there?
struct: or did they just abandon it?
Astrobytes: I missed that link, must've closed the window after I was afk earlier
JayM9: h
JayM9: hi
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone mentioned a VB run powergrid yesterday... but that's how they do things in Texas. ;)
Wontonimo: OH ... yeah, i recognize it from the playground thingie. didn't really pay attention to the branding tbh
Astrobytes: struct: They've never really used it to it's potential imo
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: :rofl:
struct: Well its like me
UnnamedCodinGamer: I had an idea to make a playground - simple code to play around with - more of a proof of concept thing
struct: I write the sim then never finish the actual AI
struct: So its wasted potential
Astrobytes: But you make great games nonetheless
Astrobytes: And you still have time to fulfil that potential
struct: I dont really like to think I make games
struct: I only port them
Astrobytes: CG have kinda missed their own boat wrt tech.io
Astrobytes: Yeah OK, but good ports
AntiSquid: just need to think of it as a game that plays itself or a game that plays other games and then maybe you can finish it struct
UnnamedCodinGamer: Astrobytes, here is the link https://tech.io/snippet/2oI54uz
UnnamedCodinGamer: I do not know if it is understandable enough
Wontonimo: my kids laugh at me for programming my computer to play games for me ... sigh, I haven't converted them yet
UnnamedCodinGamer: consuming is easier than creating
AntiSquid: show them the power of automation in their own games
jacek: power of AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: who the first test case doesn't work for me
Wontonimo: Noooooo
tibithegreat: show them factorio
tibithegreat: that should get them to learn the power of automation
AntiSquid: what are they playing Wontonimo
Astrobytes: UnnamedCodinGamer: after I had my adrenaline shot for unexpected exposure to Java (j/k) I have seen your code.
Decent basic implementation, speaks for itself if you know it but if you want it to be useful you might have to break it down into chunks with more explanation?
Wontonimo: my son was pretty big into redstone mechanics, so partly redeemed
Wontonimo: AntiSquid currently, my son is into some FPS and my daughter still into minecraft
UnnamedCodinGamer: Astrobytes, hah
UnnamedCodinGamer: it is based on code that I wrote a while back
JammSpread: you should try getting them into minecraft modding
JammSpread: serverside plugins is easier
AntiSquid: FPS -> autoaim scripts, minecraft -> MineRL challenge, damn even making a diamond is hard
Astrobytes: UnnamedCodinGamer: the code doesn't have to be optimised or anything, just explanations alongside the snippets of each part, then full code at the end to play with
Wontonimo: i made a server side mod for them a few years back, gave everyone classes and power phrases... they loved it, but again just interested in consuming not creating
struct: garrys mod also allows you to code inside the game
struct: you can use lua
UnnamedCodinGamer: I am not sure about more explanation - as I imagine it it should be for people who have read the theory but for some reason struggle to implement it
struct: or expression 2
UnnamedCodinGamer: as I did
Wontonimo: struct garrys mod eh? oh, that's cool
KelvinAndHobbes: Gotten the "Capcta: are you a human" 3 times in a row in CoC, does it just really think I'm a bot?
Astrobytes: UnnamedCodinGamer: Is there not full Java code out there already?
JammSpread: stackoverflow does that every time i search now
geppoz: uhm the "mars lander" banner was always that way or they updated in honor to Perseverance?
JayM9: I am getting major errors
JayM9: I am unsure why
Astrobytes: Talk to General Problems, he will help JayM9
Wontonimo: geppoz afair it's been that way always
geppoz: so that landing configuration was known years ago? nice
Westicles: geppoz, what's up with all that math in your beach volleyball solution?
UnnamedCodinGamer: Astrobytes, maybe, but I am bad at reading other people's code
tibithegreat: geppoz the skycrane was used for curiosity as well
UnnamedCodinGamer: for some reason I think that my version is clearer :)
Astrobytes: UnnamedCodinGamer: That's fair, it takes some practice that's for sure
geppoz: Westicles that the solution of a 4th grade equation
UnnamedCodinGamer: which may not be true
Astrobytes: UnnamedCodinGamer: I find it clear yeah
geppoz: tibithegreat uh, I didn't know, ty, I tought was still airbag tecnique
UnnamedCodinGamer: thanks for looking at it
geppoz: Westicles that is a O(1) solution of the problem ;)
Astrobytes: No worries, maybe other people can contribute to it with other language implementations?
Astrobytes: @UnnamedCodinGamer
Westicles: I see. I tried to take the derivative and find a closed-form solution, but couldn't get it
UnnamedCodinGamer: yes
Wontonimo: I had added the label "Snell's Law" to the challenge but for some reason it got removed.
Westicles: They only allow approved tags
Wontonimo: "Snell" is just so racy ... i get it
Astrobytes: lmao
UnnamedCodinGamer: or other implementation of certain steps - for instance here at the expansion step all children are expanded at once - you can expand single child at a time
geppoz: Westicles https://ibb.co/KjSGYBt
UnnamedCodinGamer: it saves memory
Astrobytes: Sure, depends on your node size but yeah, different implementations would be cool
UnnamedCodinGamer: I have it already
UnnamedCodinGamer: in another version
Westicles: nice
UnnamedCodinGamer: less nodes are being created
Wontonimo: what i found useful for my first implementation of MCTS (which you may want to include) is a deterministic example to turn into a unit test. An example is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXW2yZndl7U
geppoz: it would be great if CG would rate solutions based on time/memory consumption
Wontonimo: don't know if unit tests are all the rage where you are publishing this
geppoz: it will become little more interesting to optimize even the normal puzzles
AntiSquid: seen, best video on mcts Wontonimo :D
Astrobytes: geppoz: I guess that's only really doable with the bot programming
UnnamedCodinGamer: I will take a look
Wontonimo: AntiSquid and that's saying sometrhing considering the crazy shaking of the camera
AntiSquid: in general very few youtubers get straight to the point and explain things clearly
geppoz: Astrobytes, no, leetcode does it
Wontonimo: geppoz, no, leetcode + that guy = still very few
Astrobytes: geppoz: Sure, and projecteuler too iirc, I just mean with the way CG is currently set up
Wontonimo: lol
AntiSquid: leetcode also rates you based on fail attempts no?
AntiSquid: find that a big drawback
Astrobytes: That's the 1337 part :P
AntiSquid: pointless stat
Astrobytes: ...?
Astrobytes: It would just be code without the leet!
Wontonimo: sorry geppoz .. i got confused
Astrobytes: I do agree though AntiSquid
UnnamedCodinGamer: Wontonimo, I remembered watching this video a couple of years back
UnnamedCodinGamer: it is a nice one
UnnamedCodinGamer: however if I remember correctly it is an implementation of single player mcts
UnnamedCodinGamer: (explanation)
dericeketli: alooooooooooooo
Astrobytes: +extra points for the lecture being for the University of Strathclyde (Glasgow, Scotland)
UnnamedCodinGamer: I love the way he goes into details
UnnamedCodinGamer: showing exactly what is happening
Astrobytes: Yeah, good lecturer
Wontonimo: WW bot game never came up in the top recommendations, yet I seem to recall there being some positive chat about it. Thoughts?
Astrobytes: Yeah, good game
Astrobytes: I need to get back to that actually
Astrobytes: Very fun
Astrobytes: Based on this iirc:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/194655/santorini
AntiSquid: it depends from person to person Wontonimo
Astrobytes: Ofc, as I said earlier it's all very subjective. You should try everything
AntiSquid: the contests back then also had the disadvantage of a forced break after contest, you lost interest completely by the time it got released
AntiSquid: you can play it online:
https://boardgamearena.com/gamepanel?game=santorini
not sure if you need premium account for this one
Wontonimo: pull a codebullet and make a bot slaughter humans
darkhorse64: I have tried almost every multi on CG: there are 3 that are so-so for me: Code Royale, Code of Kutulu and mostly Botters of The Galaxy. All others are interesting to play
Wontonimo: oh, code royal is iffy, good to know.
Wontonimo: i was looking at Botters, and it just seems too kludgy for me.
Wontonimo: I get it, the makers were trying to probably do something anti-mcts
Wontonimo: and it was fun to write some if/then/else for it, but ultimately not really my speed
darkhorse64: Too messy for me. My favorites are OOC, PCR, Crystal Rush, Yavalath
Astrobytes: BotG is a no-go for me, didn't like PacMan, Code Royale was so-so, That Cooking Game (Code a la mode),
struct: o.o
Wontonimo: who made BotG?
Astrobytes: I'm a cussy funt though
AntiSquid: there was no intent to make it anti-mcts lol
Astrobytes: Hmm Wontonimo, ask AntiSquid :D
Wontonimo: AntiSquid who made BotG?
AntiSquid: after some debate, we decided to make it focused around optimizing last hit deny on lane-units
darkhorse64: I like Code a la Mode & Code of Ice and Fire too. For most of the multi, there is something to learn
AntiSquid: it says in the description Wontonimo
Astrobytes: Oh COIF was great
AntiSquid: and it has a story !!
struct: my problem is I dont really know how to code for some of those games
struct: like CoIF
Astrobytes: I hacked my way through it
Wontonimo: well, i must be blind cuz i can't find it
AntiSquid: the more i play coif the more i wonder why complain about some of the other games but praise coif
struct: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/a-code-of-ice-and-fire
Wontonimo: i'll keep looking though
Astrobytes: Hacky solutions the whole way through
AntiSquid: CIF *
AntiSquid: me and some others, one sec pls Wontonimo
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/botters-of-the-galaxy here at the top it says
AntiSquid: there wasn't even the intent to make it "hard to simulate" lol
darkhorse64: Once again, nothing personal against these multis and congrats to the people who made the effort to design it
AntiSquid: i am not taking it personal, you dislike it fine w/e
Astrobytes: (but we still hate them :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: )
AntiSquid: i hate some multis and i wonder why do they get praise, could use same arguments against them
Astrobytes: I will make an effort in BotG one day, but it's after UTTT for me (that means real low)
JayM9: damn boys
JayM9: just took an L
Astrobytes: Ofc, everything is subjective
JayM9: in the clash of code
JayM9: could not figure it out
JayM9: RIP
JayM9: is there a way to look at past clash of codes
JayM9: so I can go back and do the
JayM9: withou the time
Wontonimo: hey, i'm in wood 1 in BotG lol
Astrobytes: if you remember some keywords or the name sure JayM9
Astrobytes: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
darkhorse64: Hate is a very strong word, let's just say that some multis motivate me more
Astrobytes: *strongly dislike
Astrobytes: *find unappealing
darkhorse64: Yeah, ths one
darkhorse64: *this*
Astrobytes: 'hate' can be used without much impact in English depending on tone and context, in French I think it's not quite the same
Astrobytes: also, tone and context on the internet :rolling_eyes:
derjack: :skull:
darkhorse64: It's almost like saying you want to murder someone
AntiSquid: hey just imagine how the guys at openAi felt while working on their dota2 project then, they stopped at 17 heroes i think and they ended up with a simplistic push one lane tactic for most part
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: Yes, that's very much the case in English if you use it aggressively. It's a commonly abused word that has lost its traditional impact over time.
derjack: bloody hell
Astrobytes: derjack is becoming unionjack
JohnathanBarbee: I don't know. I very much want to murder my code some times.
Astrobytes: That's a private grievance :P
JohnathanBarbee: :grinning:
JammSpread: why do i feel that shortest code problems on clash of code makes python op
Astrobytes: Because you don't know Ruby
JammSpread: oh lol
JammSpread: i forgot them both
Astrobytes: Right tool for the right job
JammSpread: lol
JammSpread: i use javascript in the meantime
Astrobytes: You can still get decent results, you just need to practice golfing it
JammSpread: I just wish you could multiply strings like you could in py
Astrobytes: what is it in js? repeat()?
JammSpread: yeah I think String.repeat
JammSpread: still pythons operations i find superior
Astrobytes: Like I said, if you wanna win golfing you need the right tool for the job
JammSpread: Ok then, I'm going to retry learning python. Thanks.
Astrobytes: I don't do it myself but it's the way to go. Ruby is also ridiculously OP in regards to golfing
Astrobytes: If you do it right.
JammSpread: yeah its the langs that try not to be too verbose and easier to learn
JammSpread: don't even try golfing in Java
Astrobytes: There's attempting to compete and there's just pain. Choose attempting to compete :P
JammSpread: Totally, I tried one of them recently and even making a util function for the job was a headache.
Theino: I do most coding in C#... I'm always very sad when I get a code golf problem
JammSpread: C#, Java and C++ require boilerplate to even do a hello world.
Astrobytes: If you're not bothered about ranking in clashes then that's fine. Clash ranking depreciates anyway
Astrobytes: You can do puzzles/multis/optims instead for more permanent ranking
JammSpread: I mean when they show you a metric even if you don't try to care its hard not to.
Astrobytes: (and code golf too, though it's only 4 or 5 puzzles)
Theino: I just try to hack it together in python and not come in last
Theino: I started learning ruby before I decided I didn't want to work that hard for a few code golf problems
Theino: I might change my mind...
Astrobytes: Yeah, it takes some work to learn how to make things *that* unreadably short lol
Astrobytes: But hey, I don't clash.
Theino: I haven't been on codingame in awhile and found the new quest map... it made me want to do clash again
Astrobytes: Hehe, you and a bunch of others :D
Astrobytes: I gave that particular branch a miss
JammSpread: The several character long langs on code.golf seem to be an utter headache
Wontonimo: that quest map ... it dug deep into some primal motivation for me
Astrobytes: Worked as intended then I guess.
Astrobytes: It's cool you're digging the multis and not just clashes or whatever
Astrobytes: It makes me somewhat sad when I see people missing the real meat of the site.
**BlaiseEbuth cough cough 5% cough cough.
Astrobytes: Yeah. Innit.
Astrobytes: Also BlaiseEbuth thanks for returning to normal form :D
**JammSpread is joining a new clash
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. I prefer this one too.
Astrobytes: :)
Astrobytes: gn all
MSmits: gn!
JammSpread: gn
Wontonimo: gn
jacek:
Wontonimo: i'ma gonna go
Wontonimo: 2
JammSpread: bye
AntiSquid: gn8 astro
Guillermo.: gn
milad-mehri: ~~test~~
milad-mehri: lol
JayM9: yo
JayM9: can someone help me
JayM9: i am doing coders strike back 2
Wontonimo: hey, how can i help?
Thanushan: hello
