pipebits: :v
Surina_Quinn: does anyone have advice for a beginner? I'm trying my best to learn but it all just gets jumbled in my head and it makes me feel...low
Goulstem: @Surina_Quinn I suggest you pick a project that interests you! This is the best way to learn, by far. Then you have an application for all your knowledge. Also, key: the more something pulls you (inspires you/motivates you), the less you have to push yourself! :D
Passifi: Salut
jacek: ohai
Passifi: woo codin game runs badly on the rasberri pi Im having crysis flashbacks here :P
jacek: robo :eyes:
MSmits: what'd he do now?
jacek: othello. but were safe
MSmits: ah
DaniloKrkeljic: hey, idk if this is the place to ask, but im getting correct results in the defibrillator game on everything but "Complete File", is this a bug ?
jacek: with your program :o
DaniloKrkeljic: im gettting correct results on "Complete file 2" though
MSmits: the reason you have different testcases is to test different parts of your program. It is completely natural to fail one and succeed the other
MSmits: find out how the testcases are different
MSmits: use debug statements to split up your program and see what it's doing
DaniloKrkeljic: Ok, ty very much, appreciate it. Ill look into it.
MSmits: np, good luck
Westicles: wow, such a highly literate contrib approved. things are looking up
gatitos: is it me or does the site UI keep changing
gatitos: sometimes "complete" is under "Activities"
gatitos: sometimes it isnt
jacek: theyre changing header and some people get it, some not
Andrew97: has anyone finished last weeks challenge? Battle Tower
Angecide: Hi Jacek when doing 1ply check to add bias toward moves that win miniboard/block enemy win, do u also take into consideration if the move would give enemy a win on the next board?
Angecide: or technically speaking, that would be a 2ply check
Angecide: so I guess not
jacek: no, too costly for meh
jacek: but i penalty moves that would end up on finished boards, giving enemy mobility
Angecide: ah yeah that's a fairly lightweight check so that could work too
jacek: with that 2-ply check, actually with some generated tables that could be cheap
_Time_Lord_: bus
Angecide: yea but the 2ply check can get complicated because you can't keep avoiding capturing a board in favor of not giving enemy one, so at some point u need to kind of evaluate when the tradeoff is in your favor, I guess one easy tradeoff that is in ur favor is getting the middle miniboard in favor of any of the side ones
MSmits: the problem with uttt is that there are exceptions to every rule Angecide
MSmits: middle is not always better than other boards
MSmits: what jacek means is that he gives a penalty in selecting a move that gives the opponent this freedom, but he does still select the move
MSmits: it simple has a penalty in UCT
MSmits: simply
jacek: eeyup
MSmits: alternatively, in the random rollout, you can try to disallow them altogether, under some circumstances
MSmits: just dont be too strict about refusing these moves, because sometimes, especially in the late game, you have no choice
MSmits: or only poor alternatives
jacek: i do this only in uct
Angecide: yea that's true, I guess the bias should just work as guidlines and not some authoritarian rule, and the uct will hopefully figure out if it is worth it or not
MSmits: exactly
MSmits: though there is no problem with an "authoritarian rule" as long as it is limited properly
MSmits: for example. you can disallow these moves in the first 20-25 plies or so and it will be fine
MSmits: because even if there exists a finished board, it's probably never gonna be a good idea to give an opponent a free move
Angecide: yea, like enforcing teccles heuristic
MSmits: right, that heuristic is one of the most reliable ones
MSmits: but it's not perfect
MSmits: I have seen gamestates, especially ply 20+ where using it, hurts you
MSmits: turning a solved win in a draw, or a solved draw into a loss
MSmits: possibly using it up to ply 18 or so is 100% safe... but it is hard to say without solving the game
jacek: yet
MSmits: right :)
MSmits: just improved my code of the rings a bit with pruning, rank 20 now. Small steps. I need to figure out a way to do the loop stuff
MSmits: so far still doing the loops manually
jrke: whats the difference between
b += 1<<3;
and
b |= 1<<3;
RoboStac: it depends what b is before hand. If bit 3 is 0 then they're the same.
RoboStac: if bit 3 is one the second one does nothing but the first still adds 8
jrke: oh
jrke: btw whats the opposite of b|=1<<2;
jrke: like i wanna make bit 2 turn 0 from 1
RoboStac: b &= ~(1<<2)
RoboStac: thats a tilde (bitwise not), not a minus sign btw
jrke: yeah its ~
MSmits: alternatively, if you know for sure the bit is set you can do b ^= 1<< 2
MSmits: but if you dont know and just want to make sure it is 0, you use Robos method, but thats 1 extra operation
jrke: ok
jrke: so it makes 0 to 1 and 1 to 0 right
MSmits: thats what ^ does yes
MSmits: ^1 actually
RoboStac: it looks like its an extra operation in code but most cpu's have bit set / reset that the compiler can use
MSmits: oh, did not know that
jrke: so b ^= 1<<2; is perfect for othello i think
MSmits: thats another thing jrke, everyone gets to a point where they start to look for little things that would make their code faster, but more often than not, the compiler will recognize and do it by itself. So that's mostly wasted effort
MSmits: Robo just shared an example of that
jrke: hmm
MSmits: but if you like ^=, that's fine
MSmits: just be careful about it in case the bit was already 0
MSmits: bugs in bit ops are really hard to notice
jrke: thank you very much my net is slow so going gtg bye cya
MSmits: cya jrke
jacek: well it looks simpler
MSmits: yeah... readability vs safe coding
MSmits: &= ~ is often safer than ^=
MSmits: I prefer ^= because I've done this so often now , i dont often make the mistake of flipping a 0 bit
MSmits: jrke was asking earlier about the problem with 1 << 32 instead of 1ULL << 32. That's an annoying bug that still happens to me
MSmits: you dont notice it but it leads to bad crashes
MSmits: probably i should just create a set bit function and stop typing it literally :)
Angecide: noo msmits why did u remove the othello bot
jacek: huh
Angecide: or is it the same one as yesterday?
Angecide: or maybe i am misunderstanding
jacek: hes 5th
Angecide: i read in yesterday log there were some new othello bot that was perfect or something, I wanted to check it out
jacek: maybe the 1st one?
Angecide: nah I think it was supposed to be better than recurse, I am not sure, maybe I misunderstood
DaniloKrkeljic: There is a bug in the defibrillator game, "Complete file" answer is wrong. Are there similar bugs on this website?
DaniloKrkeljic: i just dont wanna waste time if its possible the answer is wrong or similar
blasterpoard: DaniloKrkeljic plenty of people, me included, solved that puzzle without any problems
blasterpoard: it is likely that the mistake is in your code, not in the puzzle
DaniloKrkeljic: i found a forum question with people with the same problem
DaniloKrkeljic: distance of calculated defib is smaller than the one form the answer, simple as that
blasterpoard: Then how do you explain the 84% community success rate on that puzzle?
DaniloKrkeljic: because when you submit you apparently get 100%
blasterpoard: I have no problems passing that validator though
blasterpoard: *test case
DaniloKrkeljic: idk, these guys on the forum said the same thing.. well at least its good to know its not common apparently
blasterpoard: maybe if you got 100% desptie that, the problem is that there are not enough validators, not that the test case is wrong
VizGhar: well he obviously isn't using right formula :)
DaniloKrkeljic: how come it works for "Complete file 2" then?
VizGhar: I believe there were some rounding issues
VizGhar: I also failed on one submission and had to fix it
VizGhar: Problem #1 you might have is that formula has `x 6371` in it
Problem #2 using floats instead of doubles (loosing precision)
VizGhar: not sure where the problem was when I was solving it... but you should definitely not blame CG
VizGhar: Potential problem #3 decimal separators
DaniloKrkeljic: I'm using python float, so it shouldn't be a rounding problem. I'll look into it more i guess. Btw, the data from the website differs from test cases, maybe I'm supposed to build a solution according to that?
VizGhar: you are supposed to come with general solution that matches any input it is given :)
VizGhar: https://forum.codingame.com/t/defribillators-puzzle-discussion/37/177?u=vizghar
VizGhar: this guy had probably same problem as you and resolved it too
VizGhar: "Ok, got it. Didn’t noticed that the user’s longitude and latitude include commas, too."
VizGhar: do not fall into confirmation bias and look for solutions :)
DaniloKrkeljic: No, i did that 1st thing. Anyway thx for trying to help, not gonna clog IRC beacuse of this
DaniloKrkeljic: ill post a forum question i guess
VizGhar: potential problem #4 radians/degrees
VizGhar: yeah go ahead
VizGhar: potential problem #5 too long computation
VizGhar: but these are the question you can freely ask in IRC as well. Most of the time you just need slight push
DaniloKrkeljic: Ok, ty very much Viz !
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's here for a reason. If you have a valid question there are usually people willing to help out ;)
IlkerSaxion: How do I start a round and invite a friend?
IlkerSaxion: Im very new
struct: start a private clash
struct: then invite him
struct: you can send him the link I think
IlkerSaxion: Thank you
Saad-py: HI
eulerscheZahl: hi reCurse I have a contribution for you. but no mirrored matches :(
https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/870061fb387227ad77e23f33131ca9e40463b7
struct: Time to resubmit an improved CSB :D
eulerscheZahl: now multiplayer 2048 suddenly seems possible
eulerscheZahl: you shift on your own board and spawn for the opponent
eulerscheZahl: i'm afk
wlesavo: or you shift for both, you and your opponent while still having fixed number generator available eulerscheZahl
Pouria2100: elo
wlesavo: you may even shift for you and your opp always in the same direction i.e D D R R
jacek: huh
ErrorRazor: It's not multiplayer when one player plays for both
jacek: thats what she said :disappointed:
ErrorRazor: lol whut
jacek: dont mind me, im being jacek again
ErrorRazor: Why is this a conflicting declaration?
using clock_t = std::chrono::high_resolution_clock;
jacek: clock_t is reserved type
Saad-py: HI
Saad-py: which language to learn after python
Saad-py: for competetive programming
JLukeSkywalker: for clash or bots?
Char_2C: both?
Saad-py: yeah
JLukeSkywalker: for clash I would say ruby, for bot programming I would say c++
Saad-py: both
Saad-py: what do you mean by bot
Saad-py: bot CODe (lol)
JLukeSkywalker: multiplayer ai games like the othello or tron
Saad-py: wtf
Saad-py: There are games for programming
JLukeSkywalker: you have a turn time limit, so the languages that run faster let you do more calculations
Saad-py: wtf
Saad-py: I can't understand
JLukeSkywalker: for clash, its about fast coding, so python is great, and for shortest code, ruby is really good
JLukeSkywalker: what dont you understand?
Saad-py: NOOOOO
Saad-py: the bot part
JLukeSkywalker: bot programming = there is a game, you write an AI to play the game
Saad-py: ok give me an example
JLukeSkywalker: are you trolling?
DaniloKrkeljic: counter strike
JLukeSkywalker: its like half of this website
Saad-py: noo
Saad-py: OH so you mean controlling games
Saad-py: like I make an AI to defuse the bomb
JLukeSkywalker: tron, oware, coders strike back, othello, chess, checkers, ultimate tic tac toe, etc
JLukeSkywalker: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer
Saad-py: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Saad-py: So in this websites we have to code for the game to work and run, YEAH I know them.
But I was talking about overall programming not just codingame
Saad-py: lmao I am a bot
Saad-py: ??
JLukeSkywalker: overall programming, if you already know python, its a great scripting language, I would say learn a compiled full OO language
Saad-py: you mean OOP
JLukeSkywalker: OO=object oriented
OOP=object oriented programming
JLukeSkywalker: same exact thing
Saad-py: I think C++ is really good but then I think of C#
Saad-py: IDK which is better
JLukeSkywalker: they are both better in different situations
Saad-py: C# is for game devs, app devs
JLukeSkywalker: I would say in general c++ is probably better to learn, and you could branch to C# after if you want to work with windows stuff
Saad-py: I know a bit of .NET Winforms C#
Saad-py: OK thx
Saad-py: I will go with C++
Saad-py: and btw how old are u
Saad-py: ??
Saad-py: ??
JLukeSkywalker: 23, been programming for 12 years, and been teaching high school and college robotics for 6 years
JLukeSkywalker: work as a control systems programmer full time
DaniloKrkeljic: xDDD
Saad-py: OOF
Saad-py: I am -13
Saad-py: Know python very well
Saad-py: worked with JS also
Saad-py: suck at CSS
Saad-py: Did winforms for a month or so
Saad-py: less scripting
Saad-py: I tried to speedran hackerrank python
Saad-py: run*
JLukeSkywalker: I learned python, c, java, basic, cobol, fortran and assembly by 15
Saad-py: oof
Saad-py: NOICE
JLukeSkywalker: i kind of program instead of playing video games
Saad-py: me too
JLukeSkywalker: which is why this site is perfect, kind of both
Saad-py: yeah ikr
jacek: mhm
Saad-py: @JLukeSkywalker
Saad-py: Which language u best at
JLukeSkywalker: c or assembly
JLukeSkywalker: i guess python and matlab second
jacek: really? oO
Saad-py: bruh
JLukeSkywalker: i program hardware for a living
Saad-py: You know so many languages
Saad-py: Probably make a startup and go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR on the internet
JLukeSkywalker: once you know how to program and think logically, you can learn a new language in like weeks, and master it in a year or 2
Saad-py: yeah
eulerscheZahl: except if the paradigm is completely different
Saad-py: Imma try C++, my mind keeps changing
eulerscheZahl: e.g. learning haskell when coming from C++/Java world
Saad-py: I was doing ethical hacking for a month
JLukeSkywalker: i hated learning haskell, you are right
JLukeSkywalker: still logic though
Saad-py: Hacked into my own laptop successfully, and exploited the hell out of it
Astrobytes: ...
DaniloKrkeljic: wtf is this chat, cmon guys
Saad-py: idk
Saad-py: NERDS FOR NERDS
Saad-py: can anybody do a Ddos on amazon
DaniloKrkeljic: ...
Saad-py: I would salute you for tht
Saad-py: Lmao kidding
eulerscheZahl: try it and find out
https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6127e5b918b4155e0536e89f7157029f30bc
Astrobytes: lol, no mercy :D
Angecide: that was a yikes comment he made too
reCurse: Ethical kicking
eulerscheZahl: i went afk after pinging you, not my smartest move. not sure if you saw it recurse: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/614074c4f45bc5120d6d04e98ee334347d54
DaniloKrkeljic: yes that is amazon main server
Astrobytes: hah!
DaniloKrkeljic: bezos mainframe they call it
reCurse: Interesting euler, but I wouldn't bother, that's the kind of thing they'll crack down upon very quick like it's a quest map
reCurse: *bug
eulerscheZahl: probably
Astrobytes: (non-minor)
eulerscheZahl: but if we use it to stay in the 30s but build a time bank?
reCurse: I vaguely recall them being concerned about replay size or something
reCurse: Though I did a pretty good job on that if I say so myself
eulerscheZahl: oh, you tried to get around the SDK too?
reCurse: Well I didn't use the GEM, so at least an order or two of magnitude smaller replays
eulerscheZahl: ah, good job on replay size
eulerscheZahl: SDK replays are huge as there is no domain knowledge
reCurse: I understand why they did it
reCurse: It's just newbie friendly at the cost of being very inefficient
eulerscheZahl: compressing 2048 for 1h+ replay duration was fun :D
reCurse: So CG in a nutshell
reCurse: Sorry, bad mood today I think
struct: replay size has more impact than the time the total game takes?
eulerscheZahl: we still have the possibilities to code the UI in JS ourselves, so i'm fine with an inefficient SDK
reCurse: There's all kinds of impacts
reCurse: I just remember this being brought up for 10ms turns
reCurse: Maybe there's other overheads I don't know about
struct: I see, I remember the 1MB replays when atari go was in WIP
reCurse: lol
struct: he was drawing the board every frame
eulerscheZahl: redrawing the whole game instead of updating single entities
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
reCurse: The cost you pay for making things too accessible
eulerscheZahl: in my very first try i made the same mistake
eulerscheZahl: but at that time there was no documentation, only UTTT
eulerscheZahl: and pong
reCurse: Reminds me of the game I wanted to make. Meh, oh well
jacek: TIL the crazyhouse white has winrate about 85%
reCurse: Uh?
reCurse: Where did you get that from
jacek: https://lichess.org/forum/game-analysis/is-crazyhouse-a-force-win-for-white?page=2
jacek: and on talkchess
reCurse: Interesting
jacek: http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76382&start=60
reCurse: Welp glad I retired it then
reCurse: Up to anyone's guess whether 960 would help or not
jacek: on the other hand chess is dying from draws :c
reCurse: Yeah that's one reason I got so interested in shogi
reCurse: No draws
reCurse: I wish there were as many game database available as for chess, would be possible to train a human player there
jacek: why would you train human player
reCurse: To learn the game better
Angecide: wouldn't it be possible to infer strategy from non-humanlike ai?
reCurse: I doubt it
reCurse: You could go into a dangerous line with only one viable answer 10 plies long, but ends up winning for you
reCurse: Trivial for AI to compute
jacek: on CG, within 50ms...
reCurse: How are you going to see that though
reCurse: No forget CG
NASIRUDDIN: hey
jacek: that gave me an idea.. to generate piece square tables from my bt bot to see how they look like
reCurse: The thing is, with training on human games and some biased search
reCurse: You can get a very very interesting player
reCurse: Worked for chess anyway
struct: https://shogidb2.com/latest
reCurse: One that beats you and you can see why
jacek: really?
jacek: like trying to mimic human?
reCurse: Yeah
Angecide: I see, it's about generating sensical moves/strategies rather than obscure ones
NASIRUDDIN: hey guys
reCurse: It's about training your inner eval
NASIRUDDIN: :heart_eyes:
reCurse: There is only so much tactics you can compute
PatrickMcGinnisII: reCurse dies any boss in chess make draw offers?
Angecide: yeah that makes sense
NASIRUDDIN: hey
PatrickMcGinnisII: does
struct: Dont know if that site allows for an easy way to download matches though
reCurse: It probably doesn't have enough
reCurse: I'm talking hundreds of millions
reCurse: Like lichess
struct: ah, its only 550k games
eulerscheZahl: good enough to for such a difference in winrate to be significant
kovi: shogi was implemented already with mu0, want it?
kovi: wasnt
reCurse: Yeah but that's not what I'm talking about
reCurse: Training a human player
kovi: oh, i c
Angecide: it almost sound like it could be possible to train an ai to be humanlike, i.e. prune moves that does; "go into a dangerous line with only one viable answer 10 plies long, but ends up winning for you"
reCurse: It is
reCurse: I've done it, sort of
reCurse: I had plans but scrapped them when I realized how it would make cheating go out of control
Angecide: cheating in which context, real life?
reCurse: Online
Angecide: oh I see, yea I could see that
reCurse: PatrickMcGinnisII Sorry I missed your question, no they don't
reCurse: Is there any point to bandas or is it fundamentally unbalanced?
PatrickMcGinnisII: tx, deciding on what input to bother with
jrke: how can i check that bit 2 is 1 or 0?for bitboards
reCurse: x & (1 << 2) ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: (x>>2)&1
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh great, my gpu is under attack again
reCurse: Gotta close that viewer
Lathryx: Just got to level 3, I'm loving CodinGame so far! :)
Lathryx: Kinda seems like CodeWars.
VizGhar: (X/2)%2 :D
reCurse: That's bit 1
reCurse: Enjoy Lathryx
Lathryx: Thanks, I sure will! :)
VizGhar: it is not :)
reCurse: You did (x >> 1) & 1
reCurse: How is it not
VizGhar: ah counting from 0 sry :P
Lathryx: What language is this?
reCurse: Many
VizGhar: (x/4)%2 ? :D
VizGhar: just trolling
reCurse: Accurate trolling is best
VizGhar: hmm but I always count bits from 1
reCurse: What's next, you're gonna tell me you start indexing at 1?
PatrickMcGinnisII: ~(x^4)
JLukeSkywalker: matlab is the best language, indexes at 1
reCurse: :fire:
PatrickMcGinnisII: oops (x*4)==0
JLukeSkywalker: dont maple and R also index at 1?
eulerscheZahl: in pascal you can declare the first index like
array [50..100] of Integer;
thus it's better than matlab?
JLukeSkywalker: mathematicians are just annoying
reCurse: Heresy comes in many forms
eulerscheZahl: also i'm not a fan of proprietary languages in general and matlab in particular
reCurse: So octave, whatever
eulerscheZahl: except for simulink, i understand why that's popular
JLukeSkywalker: i think matlab kind of deserves to be proprietary, it is pretty powerful, and most people that would use it can get it for free
reCurse: If it keeps mathematicians nice and quiet and away from coding, all for it
JLukeSkywalker: or have their company pay for it
eulerscheZahl: i've seen better than matlab for free
sagemath.org
reCurse: Hmm I heard octave mentioned most shrug
reCurse: Don't know how it compares
eulerscheZahl: i know octave, same problems as matlab bet close in functionality
reCurse: Just had to reverse engineer some matlab code once
eulerscheZahl: sage is more like mathematica or maple
reCurse: Wouldn't recommend
JLukeSkywalker: octave is pretty much matlab without toolboxes
JLukeSkywalker: and slightly different syntax
eulerscheZahl: and with a slightly modified python parser
eulerscheZahl: e.g. ^ is pow instead of xor
reCurse: :fire:
JLukeSkywalker: lol
Westicles: Isn't C# copyrighted property of microsoft?
reCurse: No
eulerscheZahl: MIT license
JLukeSkywalker: they do pretty much control it, but it is free to use/develop
reCurse: "control"
eulerscheZahl: and sage can do exact math. solving equations, simplifying expressions, ..
reCurse: They are the ones moving it forward rather
eulerscheZahl: and it even has a rubik cube solver included
JLukeSkywalker: if they dont like how you used c#, they will just release the next version that breaks your code
reCurse: Umm
JLukeSkywalker: no need to sue
reCurse: They are extremely conscious about backward compatibility
reCurse: Not sure what you refer to
eulerscheZahl: i can't remember any of my C# code breaking
JLukeSkywalker: I had a bunch of stuff break, but I think because it was super old
eulerscheZahl: only on CG, someone missed to include System.Drawing.Common when switching to .net core :(
JLukeSkywalker: think i jumped from 2.0 to 7. something
JKSTUDIOS2020: wow
eulerscheZahl: 2.0 was the first good C# version
eulerscheZahl: added generics
reCurse: ?
reCurse: Oops
reCurse: ^
reCurse: Keyboard layouts smh
Westicles: pari/gp is okay if you have a thing against octave
nandu56: Hi
nandu56: I am looking for a job as SDE in a reputed product based company, for practicing coding, which platform will be better for a little better than beginner?
JLukeSkywalker: I would say just work your way through the puzzles, and maybe try one or 2 bot games for some fun
jrke: just faced default in othello get timesout
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/524569409
struct: An error occurred (#UNAUTHORIZED): "You must be the owner to share this replay".
struct: I think default is Random
struct: not sure
struct: yeah its random
jacek: and its timeout?
struct: java
Mariowong: mariowong
jacek: jacek
reCurse: Gotta catch em all
JLukeSkywalker: is there a pokemon bot game on here yet?
jlon: Hey, is there any way to see the correct solution after a clash?
eulerscheZahl: no pokemon
JLukeSkywalker: :(
eulerscheZahl: only if another player solved it and shared the code
JLukeSkywalker: can also check here to see the problem again and think through it
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
eulerscheZahl: in case of reverse: search for the input given and find the task
Taseis: hi guys i am a beginner programmer i just got my bachelor's Degree and i feel like i don't know anything and i can't even solve easy algorithms like the Ghost Legs puzzle ... should i worry about myself or not yet ? (21 years old)
JLukeSkywalker: what is your degree in?
Taseis: Computer Science
JLukeSkywalker: then imo you should probably be able to solve the easy problems, but most schools suck
JLukeSkywalker: dont worry about it, just practice and research how to solve them
eulerscheZahl: and once you solved it, look at other solutions
JLukeSkywalker: ^^
Swagboy: Every part of computer science is different and you often need some time to get used to new things
eulerscheZahl: i'm serious. you can learn a few things how to code it more efficiently
Swagboy: So from theorical algorithmics to codingame problem solving, there are new things to learn
Taseis: Thank you guys i just started using this site as a practice tool and i found it really interesting i just need to remember how to code again because i was 1 year inactive from programming
JLukeSkywalker: most of the easy puzzles are logic and or math, and just bending the code you know to fit it. I think that process is something really missing in our current schools
Taseis: You really made me feel great and i'm not joking about it
JLukeSkywalker: they teach you how to code, but not how to apply it, thats what sites like this are for
jacek: :o
jacek: they taught me theory but not how to code
Taseis: Yeah we also had a lot of theory classes and not as many for practicing coding
Taseis: excuse my bad english by the way
JLukeSkywalker: thats kind of what i meant, in my head theory=how to code, applying = coding
Taseis: you were right about that
JLukeSkywalker: if you know how to do an insertion sort, but not how or where to use it, its kind of pointless
eulerscheZahl: not the article I was looking for but close enough
https://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/
Taseis: nice article i am going to take a look at it :relaxed:
rav3n256: is there a way to revisit a clash problem
eulerscheZahl: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
VizGhar: You should put the link to FAQ eulerscheZahl :)
VizGhar: or is it already there?
Astrobytes: All clashes should output it automatically at the end.
rav3n256: or have the option after a clash is over
eulerscheZahl: that's too reasonable Astrobytes
eulerscheZahl: and a 95% problem
Astrobytes: heh heh
VizGhar: let's ask AutomatonNN maybe?
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see a problem with the idea of an array of the same numbers of the s
VizGhar: why he likes you that much euler?
eulerscheZahl: where did its avatar go?
JLukeSkywalker: if you hit rank 1 but dont cross the boss, is it worth it to just try submitting the same code again to try for a higher score?
jacek: youll push other players weaker than boss
jacek: so eventually youll be higher
eulerscheZahl: which game? how much below?
eulerscheZahl: if it's some dead game, it might take ages until someone else tries to promote and submits to push you
JLukeSkywalker: i was at 29.8, boss is 30.45
JLukeSkywalker: ultimate tic tac to
eulerscheZahl: that game still has some activity
eulerscheZahl: wait unless you improve
eulerscheZahl: or try teccles
JLukeSkywalker: teccles?
jacek: teccles
jacek: we dont hilight much, do we?
eulerscheZahl: if you play on an empty micro board, send the opponent straight back to it
JLukeSkywalker: lol, i do that irl, didnt put it in the code yet
jacek: playing in center board first works because its not center board but because its first move of teccles? hmmm
JLukeSkywalker: currently im only checking micro-board for winning or blocking moves and ignoring big board
JLukeSkywalker: and almost got into silver
jacek: do you use any search
JLukeSkywalker: no
JLukeSkywalker: it can be much improved
JLukeSkywalker: was surprised it got up that high
ErrorRazor: I almost got into gold with just picking the best move for the micro board
eulerscheZahl: even some "MCTS light" can get you into gold
eulerscheZahl: full random rollouts, track the first move with the highest winrate
DomiKo: MC can get you into high gold
reCurse: But what they're doing is probably the most fun they'll ever get out of uttt
eulerscheZahl: savage
jacek: oO
jacek: hmm 24 new othello players but none in wood1 yet
jacek: its almost as if they dont care abot puzzle of the week quest
eulerscheZahl: let's do it next week when it's easier
**eulerscheZahl completed the quest with "Fractal carpet"
reCurse: I only care about the trolling dailies
struct: 34 players jacek
jacek: mhm
struct: maybe its in the same level as getting legend in uttt?
struct: I didnt write the bot
struct: So I am not really aware of the difficulty
jacek: it was made by teapot, so its easy
reCurse: Rude
DMMVS: hello?
Jaystah: suh
Jaystah: ich gib ein fick auf euer fotze nach
jacek: euler, thats for you
eulerscheZahl: my first ever ban :(
jacek: hm?
Astrobytes: He seemed like a pleasant fellow...
eulerscheZahl: well deserved but still. not there's blood on my enter key
reCurse: You'll get used to it
Astrobytes: ^
Westicles: wow, that's like ban golf. two lines
reCurse: You should see what the nice fella I kicked this morning wrote me in PM
reCurse: Got upgraded to a ban
jacek: i mean, what did he say really?
Astrobytes: That's always the part I look forward to, the PM.
eulerscheZahl: German, I wont translate
jacek: german :scream: good
jacek: i see, so you banned him for using german :+1:
eulerscheZahl: nein
reCurse: Technically correct
jacek: the best kind of correct
reCurse: Mayb glad I didn't get a ryzen, the next intel looks yummy
reCurse: avx-512 on a home cpu finally
Westicles: Last one had it as well
reCurse: The 10th gen? No
Westicles: I got the 10980xe last Jan
reCurse: Oh xe
reCurse: Missed that I guess
struct: Bettter pre order it asap
reCurse: Currently $250 off :o
reCurse: Ok where's the catch
reCurse: Seems way too cheap for what it is
eulerscheZahl: my dad thought so too when he bought a video card on ebay
eulerscheZahl: i told him no
eulerscheZahl: of course he got scammed
Angecide: how much did he lose
eulerscheZahl: he opened an incident on ebay and got the money back
reCurse: Ah lower clocks
Angecide: ah that's nice
eulerscheZahl: so just some time and 25€ for an IT shop to testify that he didn't get what he paid for
reCurse: 18 cores though... :drool:
struct: leaked prices seem a bit low
struct: 604$
struct: for the 11900k
wjan: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f4df6680-9a2e-4aec-aed1-33af285ca131
reCurse: Damn now I'm torn
eulerscheZahl: pastebins are back
eulerscheZahl: confirmed
reCurse: 11900k for better and cheaper cores or 10980xe for need moar cores
eulerscheZahl: there are several cooldowns wjan
eulerscheZahl: the longest is 6h i think
eulerscheZahl: but depending on how much you spammed, it might really just be a few minutes
Westicles: The xe motherboard costs a little more. Quad channel memory instead of dual though
reCurse: Hmm only have 2 sticks atm
reCurse: Think 11th gen might be more worth it
reCurse: Just glad avx-512 is slowly becoming mainstream
jacek: linus bashed intel for avx512
jacek: its slows the clcok
jacek: clock even
reCurse: Depends how you use it
Westicles: And you always have to check how much of the instruction set they actually have.
jacek: even stockfish folks found it wasnt that much different with nnue
reCurse: I don't get the impression nnue would have much to gain out of avx512
reCurse: Could be wrong
Westicles: nice chart at the bottom here
Westicles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512
jacek: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/312673-linus-torvalds-i-hope-avx512-dies-a-painful-death
reCurse: Thanks
reCurse: Just need to wait for that rocket lake
jacek: you should be glad for amd. it pushes intel to its limit
reCurse: I'm not dissing amd
JLukeSkywalker: nice lol, changed "col" to "2-col" and my bot went from bronze t osilver
jacek: huh
JLukeSkywalker: tic-tac-toe
jacek: oh my
JLukeSkywalker: if my code found a winning move in column 3, it would place in column 1
JLukeSkywalker: and not win
JLukeSkywalker: im smrt
JLukeSkywalker: that took like an hour to find
jacek: what i really like doing this ML stuff is doing those cool charts https://i.imgur.com/u07jmw4.png
reCurse: Might have looked into doing accounting instead, easier
Angecide: when doing ml for cg do u generally train the model in python and then serialize the weights to c++?
jacek: you train offline, yeah
Angecide: but is there any standard choice between training in python vs c++ or is it just based on your own preference, since I assume it is possiblet to get the weights from python to c++?
Angecide: they are just numbers in a matrix I guess
jacek: yeah, they just params to optimize. however you do it, doesnt matter
Angecide: I see
jacek: could be python libraries, as they are pretty optimized
Angecide: yea the accessibility of doing ML in python is really great
struct: on csb the angle is rounded, floored, ceiled or truncated?
reCurse: Which angle
struct: pod angle to next checkpoint
reCurse: Which league is that
struct: legend
reCurse: I thought pod angles were absolute
reCurse: In any case, they are given to you rounded
reCurse: The referee keeps the real float
ErrorRazor: They are absolute, I'm doing csb rn
struct: I see, thanks
reCurse: Results in around 5% inaccuracy on average
struct: lol
FabioGomes: does anyone know the solution to this ? https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/the-lucky-number
ErrorRazor: Yup
FabioGomes: Fábiooo13#5962 add me on discord
jacek: i think 21% knows
ErrorRazor: Why does a private chat pop up every time the chat reconnects even though there are no new messages in it and I've closed it
Astrobytes: Known bug.
ErrorRazor: Alright
zrdzrt: is there any chance that java wins in short mode vs. python? Feels unfair tbh :D
Nikeleos: Wich language can beat Pyhton in short mode ?
Hobogre: Ruby will always win
JLukeSkywalker: also who doesnt know python anyway
ErrorRazor: I'm not a fan of short mode
zrdzrt: same
ErrorRazor: You don't learn anything useful from it
Nikeleos: Exactly
struct: ruby perl bash
ErrorRazor: Maybe just treat it as fast mode
reCurse: Then you should not be a fan of clash either
Nikeleos: Bash ? Creapy...
ErrorRazor: I do prefer the bot games but sometimes it's nice to do something smaller
Astrobytes: That's why we have puzzles
ErrorRazor: I'm definitely neglecting the solo puzzles.
Astrobytes: You'll get more out of it than you will from clashes imo
ErrorRazor: I shall clash no more
Astrobytes: Hey don't stop because I said puzzles lol, clash if you feel like it - I think the objective of clashes was 'Fun'
Astrobytes: But if you want to actually learn anything, then puzzles or whatever
zhoubou: Puzzles are a great way to have fun while learning. At least for me.
jacek: "fun" "clash" in one sentence?
ErrorRazor: "clash not fun"
rick-James: very cool :)
o0lit3: "Ruby will always win" >> perl usually beats ruby tbh
JLukeSkywalker: but no-one uses perl in clash
o0lit3: I do
o0lit3: it generally has a leg up on "fastest" as well because you dont' have to type as much
ErrorRazor: "no-one" is a pseudonym for "almost no-one"
o0lit3: you sound like an english teacher and not a programmer
JLukeSkywalker: sometimes i wish programmers were english teachers, would make code more readable
ErrorRazor: I wouldn't be a programmer if I didn't like languages
kavandoctor: wassup people
kavandoctor: join coc
kavandoctor: coc is fun
JLukeSkywalker: or less readable ....
ErrorRazor: join multiplayer
kavandoctor: i like coc
ErrorRazor: multiplayer is fun
kavandoctor: yeah
ErrorRazor: I should've said ai battle
ErrorRazor: Because clash is technically multiplayer too
Perlorodka: kavandoctor! don't say you improved even more in CoC! :)
kavandoctor: :)
Perlorodka: I think coding roman to decimal convertor in 38 seconds is already pretty damn good
https://pasteboard.co/JKIpvQe.png
kavandoctor: bruh
kavandoctor: ur allowed to look stuff up
kavandoctor: so i just found a sol online
kavandoctor: lmao
Astrobytes: Exact solution?
Perlorodka: of course, awesome job
kavandoctor: thanq
kavandoctor: but i mean
kavandoctor: that was the only time i did that
kavandoctor: cuz i didnt feel like
kavandoctor: writing roman numerals
Astrobytes: Was it a straight up copy paste?
kavandoctor: what no
kavandoctor: i had to change stuff
kavandoctor: obviously
Astrobytes: And it took btb all that time to look it up and change some stuff
Astrobytes: I mean:
https://www.w3resource.com/python-exercises/class-exercises/python-class-exercise-2.php
drdrdrdoctor: i mean yeah
drdrdrdoctor: i think that was the only challenge i saw
drdrdrdoctor: that was p much entirely online
Astrobytes: (one of many available solutions to the general problem)
drdrdrdoctor: yeah
drdrdrdoctor: but i mean
drdrdrdoctor: You can look up stuff. You can take your time. You shall have fun. Everyone is a winner, even if 0% of the tests work :D
drdrdrdoctor: "You can look up stuff. You can take your time. You shall have fun. Everyone is a winner, even if 0% of the tests work :D "
drdrdrdoctor: this is what it says
drdrdrdoctor: on the page
drdrdrdoctor: so i assumed you were allowed
drdrdrdoctor: to search stuff up
Astrobytes: You are, yes.
Astrobytes: I'm not judging.
drdrdrdoctor: oh
drdrdrdoctor: you wanna play?
drdrdrdoctor: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1563401c56e47651726c8f56df54b32c24ee589
Astrobytes: Nah, I don't clash. I prefer bot programming.
drdrdrdoctor: oh
drdrdrdoctor: oki
drdrdrdoctor: i hate bot programming
drdrdrdoctor: and like clash
Astrobytes: All good.
Velcoro: I'd clash, but I hate googling solutions, you know :)
reCurse: Wonder why
drdrdrdoctor: bruh
drdrdrdoctor: that was like the only question
drdrdr: that had a online solution
drdrdr: lay off me
Astrobytes: Sure.
Astrobytes: Any pressure you're feeling is completely your own.
TheSunnyCastle_ee5e: hi
TheSunnyCastle_ee5e: asd
Astrobytes: Ever read The Tell-Tale Heart?
Astrobytes: Anyway, before all the beasts appear in chat I'm out, gn all
ErrorRazor: Good night
struct: gn
TheSunnyCastle_ee5e: a
TheSunnyCastle_ee5e: a
3ataja: why it always empty at night
3ataja: programmers aren't supposed to sleep at night
JLukeSkywalker: we are all just too comatose to chat
3ataja: no i mean clash of code
rekaxem: agreed
SeraphWeddUltimate: maybe they're too busy doing something else?
rekaxem: hi
Cyrgo: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/15634614267234c4828a17b8b4ae5f7d336cfa1
oiuawesfiawegioaew: o
Saad-py: Hi
Surina_Quinn: does anyone have advice for a beginner? I'm trying my best to learn but it all just gets jumbled in my head and it makes me feel...low
