mzbear: that feeling when your 100+ line monstrosity of a function no longer has any TODO comments in it, so it should theoretically work now, but you're too scared to test it
mzbear: oh, it doesn't even compile, but the editor no longer understand that because the error involves a lambda
rwilson: that feeling when chat is dead and you could really use some commiseration
mzbear: that feeling when people use words you've never seen before
rwilson: what does 'people' mean ?
mzbear: is this a philosophical question, or are you asking me if i'm referring to you? well, i had to look up "commiseration" from dictionary :)
rwilson: ;) existential commentary .. basically ..
rwilson: 'i feel ya bro '
mzbear: i'm afraid that particular sentence has a risk of being misinterpreted inappropriately due to ambiguity of "feeling" "ya bro"
rwilson: ;) i feel that too ;)
rwilson: ... in the totally not illegal interpretations ;) if taken literally
mzbear: lol
mzbear: something has gone horribly wrong with my code
mzbear: oh lol, i removed the code that read board state because i no longer needed it (i generated it from played moves instead) ... but forgot to leave the code that reads the inputs
rwilson: ... is it wrong that I 'HEARD' the old mortal combat "WHOOPSIE" when i read that @mzbear ? ( i know it's 'toasty' but always sounded like whoopsie ;) i.e. mistake )
mzbear: lol
mzbear: now my bot is somehow playing invalid modes. great, just great
rwilson: @mzbear which bot you working on ?
mzbear: Blocking
mzbear: i thought my move generation was working fine already .. ugh. what have i changed? oh, right, i rewrote roughly 300 lines without testing, i changed everything
mzbear: ah, valid move generation works fine, but my bot doesn't know how to play them on the board correctly
mzbear: yay, now it works! however, my bot plays incredibly badly, so i clearly have more bugs to fix :D
mzbear: argh this is performance issue ... monte carlo tree search isn't gonna do any good if i can only simulate 13 moves out of the 200 available. oh boy, optimization time
mzbear: maybe i should've gone for best-first minimax instead, to avoid having to do a full random play on every evaluation. my move generation is just too slow
YodaMaster123: Arent problems like this too basic?
YodaMaster123: v
YodaMaster123: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/589442e35a6b1ebca2f866fc05262591fb6e
MadKnight: naa we already got a x**3-3 one
YodaMaster123: That`s still not so bad...
YodaMaster123: print heads/tails is too ridiculous
MadKnight: good as a tutorial
MadKnight: pretty much the same as the tutorial puzzle
MadKnight: onboarding
YodaMaster123: Yeah, but at least the solution is not given in the problem statement.
MadKnight: suggest them to turn it into CoC
mzbear: it's for the "fastest" mode only, which basically means "how fast can you read the problem description?"
MadKnight: oh it is fastest already?
MadKnight: then good enough
MadKnight: hey mzbear
MadKnight: are u playing RAIC ?
mzbear: i dont know what RAIC is, so... no
YodaMaster123: Russian AI Cup?
MadKnight: it's another AI competition
MadKnight: join it
YodaMaster123: https://russianaicup.ru/
mzbear: can't afford distractions now, i wanna get my Blocking bot into wood 1 >_<
MadKnight: what game
mzbear: Blocking ... the puzzle of the week
MadKnight: oh
mzbear: it has a tad bit annoying move generation problem
MadKnight: u can join RAIC after u get wood1
YodaMaster123: Thanks @MadKnight_, I am joining the contest.
mzbear: i can look up RAIC afterwards, not promising anything
mzbear: i might find something more pleasant to do after this :D
MadKnight: nice
mzbear: compilers are so smart these days. half of the optimizations i'm trying produce slower code...
jacek: tryng to outsmart compiler eh
mzbear: it used to be much easier in the old days. this code isn't quite suitable for the type of optimizations the compilers today cant handle, either
Maxim251: Thats true. I watch one week ago cppcon about compilers, and You will be suprised how smart compiler is now.
Maxim251: If You do optimisation, for compiler will not do nothing, because without optimising code compiler is doing it for You anyway
mzbear: ffs i've lost 10% performance in recent changes and i cant remember what it was :D
Maxim251: link to Youtube
Maxim251: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0sz5WbS5AM
Maxim251: This is amasing showing how compiler works.
Maxim251: in 12:34 he said also about performance
pascscha: petition to ban reverse mode from CoC
jacek: oO
eulerscheZahl: petition failed
pascscha: ok, was worth the try
jacek: he has no power here
eulerscheZahl: who?
jacek: how can you fail the petition? you have no authority here :v
jacek: tho personally i like reverse mode
eulerscheZahl: i don't make it fail, I just predict the outcome
pascscha: Reverse mode is just much more inconsistent, you either see it straight away or you don't. So I don't like it because it messes up my streaks that I get from fastest and shortest mode, but of course I fully understand that taking away revers is not an option. It just frustrates me immensely from time to time.
Maxim251: i dint have idea how make this puzzle ANEO Sponsored Puzzle
jacek: a true reverse mode
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9bb05ff6-68ad-4a83-b929-480d50554c19
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fc371661-2c30-4d79-9cc3-c60678aef8e9
Maxim251: in python is this one
Maxim251: but what about 3 trafick lights?
Maxim251: how to check it?
Maxim251: here is explanation
Maxim251: https://www.xarg.org/puzzle/codingame/aneo-sponsored-puzzle/
magurofly: Does anyone wants to participate today's ABC185?
https://atcoder.jp/contests/abc185?lang=en
mzbear: argh, after refactoring, my bot is playing illegal move and running into infinite loops, and time is running out on the puzzle of the day...
YusufEmad04: hello
twitlydoof: yo
jacek: puzzle of the week, you mean
mzbear: indeed, week not day. i cant even think straight lol, no wonder my code is buggy
Velcoro: thanks for the link, magurofly
mzbear: ffs. performance optimizations won't save me it seems, I need to implement RAVE into my MCTS
mzbear: i'm gonna run out of time :(
Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: i was thinking about removing them, just in case
Stilgart: but it won't be necessary
eulerscheZahl: continuing our #fr discussion here?
Stilgart: (might be a better place, indeeed)
eulerscheZahl: sorry, i'd rather write in english than let google butcher my sentence ;)
mzbear: https://youtu.be/KEkrWRHCDQU
tibithegreat: I was reading a bit on a forum thread about UTT and found this
tibithegreat: "you randomly get 2.2GHz, 2.4GHz or 3.0GHz CPU"
tibithegreat: Is this still true?
eulerscheZahl: not sure about the exact hardware but there are different machines in use
tibithegreat: that's a bit weird
tibithegreat: I would have assumed it was always the same hardware
mzbear: random hardware? oh boy, that would explain why my optimizations seemed erratic. but it's too late to set up a local development environment for this, i cant be arsed to write a referee in time
therealbeef: submissions are very erratic. yesterday i resubmitted a UTTT bot that was #5/Gold and it ended up #38. Same code.
therealbeef: It's quite frustrating to be honest
tibithegreat: yeah I encountered this as well, but I just assumed it boils down to the randomness in how opponents are chosen
tibithegreat: since it's not really transitive
tibithegreat: like A beats B beast C beats A
tibithegreat: and depending which opponents the system chooses for you, you can get quite different outcomes
therealbeef: true, but for uttt it plays 220 matches, and after 10% im usually playing the same top 40 as before until the end. rating dropping from 31 to 27, it's too much. i understand that some designs can handle speed drops better. if my bot loses 1 ply, it's quite dramatic, but those mcts things might not care too much
Westicles: level 55?
eulerscheZahl: yes, that was unnecessary :rolling_eyes:
Westicles: Hmm, well I think it is important to publish solutions. So few do it
mzbear: "those better than boss will be promoted" .... boss score: 30.70 ... the best player score, by author of the puzzle: 26.30
mzbear: .....
mzbear: i'm starting to think this game is flawed
mzbear: ohhhh ... super fun gotcha, the game end condition is not mentioned and i had assumed it wrong!!
mzbear: the game ends if a player with lower score has to skip turn, but NOT if player with higher score has to skip turn
mzbear: and of course, the provided "played moves" does not include a mention if some player has to skip their turn
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/FDesmoulins/status/1336720001550716928
what is CG working on?
tibithegreat: looks like a pool table?
tibithegreat: or an arcade in general
tibithegreat: or airhockey actually
eulerscheZahl: looks like a more interactive game than what we know now
tibithegreat: maybe it'a a coop game vs a boss
tibithegreat: where 2 player's bots have to work together to beat a boss
tibithegreat: that would sound... fun :D
tibithegreat: it does seem like he is clicking in the game viewer
Westicles: probably mobile. kind of surprising this site isn't more phone friendly
mzbear: i'm upset that my 0.1ms handwritten heuristic is stronger than my 200ms MCTS
MuddySneakers: MCTS is difficult w/ the Blocking because the branching factor for the first few turns is humongous. You have to reduce the number of possible moves you consider.
mzbear: i was initially considering different algorithm, but since those "what you learned" checkboxes suggested MCTS i decided to go for it... grr
MuddySneakers: So, I'm using MCTS and I beat the boss. It's doable. But you can just use it vanilla out-of-the-box.
MuddySneakers: Sorry, *cannot*
mzbear: well, i just finished the third refactoring, now i can finally implement RAVE which should help with the early game
Maxim251: Yes, I have solution!!
Maxim251: ANEO Sponsored Puzzle
Maxim251: Maybe is not my solution, because I couldnt understand it with modulo usage
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1e053072-891f-44c8-b5ca-3e38fabc4572
Maxim251: And if 'if' statment is true, it means speed is to high. And then speed should be lowered, and whole operation begins again, thats why there is -1;
Maxim251: I have lucky that somebody in ython make simple code, and I could rewrite it to c++.
mzbear: i really should have set up a local referee as soon as i got movegen working ... argh
mzbear: trying to develop this in the web editor only is too painful
struct: tibithegreat there are 5 machines
struct: two 2.2 Ghz, 1 of them has no lvl 3 cache, 1 2.4 Ghz with no lvl 3, 1 with 3.0Ghz and 1 with 3.1Ghz
struct: 2.2, 3.0, 3.1 all all have same lvl 3 cache
struct: The machine that performs the best for me is the 2.4Ghz one
eulerscheZahl: i attended a lecture called "high performance computing". the prof once told us he got a new PC and compared some program runtimes
LegendaryStone: reatoretch you mind sharing your code?
eulerscheZahl: usually it was about 1.2 times faster. except for one program that was more that twice as fast
eulerscheZahl: he then was wondering why that one is so much faster. studied the CPU manual
eulerscheZahl: and then he told us "i realized it was because of the LSD" :D
eulerscheZahl: he meant the loop stream detector
reatoretch: ok. I just shared.
Astrobytes: lol euler
eulerscheZahl: a great prof btw
eulerscheZahl: once we had a broken computer and we left a note "don't use, defect"
eulerscheZahl: student writes below "challenge accepted"
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: prof sees the response, takes his pen "I kill you (Texas chainsaw masarcre)"
Astrobytes: nutter
Astrobytes: I had highschool teachers like that, uni lecturers were all somewhat serious
eulerscheZahl: and he told us whenever we forget to write "return 0" in our main function, a little baby kitten gets run over by a lawn mower
Astrobytes: Yeah, someone said similar about citing sources
mzbear: ... submitted my bot to arena, found out it crashes if it isn't player 0 ....
Astrobytes: :)
mzbear: also found out that my bot crashes if any of its opponents crashes, because it refuses to skip turns if there are valid moves
jacek: big branching factor in the beginning? consider opening books...
mzbear: the pieces are chosen at random, too, making opening books a bit less useful
jacek: :c
mzbear: ahhh... due to branching, i cant fully simulate all players even for a single round when there's 3-4 of them, which messes up things.
mzbear: bugs fixed, time to try arena again
Maxim251: for There is no Spoon - Episode 1 what better container use, vector of struct or 2D array of struct? Like NODE[x][y]?
struct: do you need to resize on there is no spoon?
mzbear: it has 30x30 maximum size, doesn't really matter how you do it
mzbear: there we go ... rank 7 in wood2 league .... so close and yet so far away
Marcaunon: when does the puzzlew of the week change?
eulerscheZahl: monday
Marcaunon: and what league to I need to get to count as "solved" for the home screen achievement?
Westicles: Wood1
Westicles: Otherwise you would already have it
Marcaunon: thnx
Gilad-Gur-Andelman: http://www.patience-is-a-virtue.org/
mzbear: dead end. after fourth refactoring, my code ends up crashing somewhere, and i cant find it .. and i dont have local referee to debug this locally
mzbear: the code is already 900 lines long, too. *sigh*
mzbear: normally i'd take a break and figure it out later, but .... when's the deadline?!
struct: game is avaialable after too
mzbear: but puzzle of the week!
struct: a tomorrow
mzbear: i'm investing in the sunk cost fallacy. i've spent so much time on this already that i dont want to fail narrowly :D
mzbear: waitamoment ... i'm using 4 bits for values 0-20 ... i'm an idiot
mzbear: well, would you look at that, it's no longer crashing
mzbear: still fails to beat boss, and the latest refactoring didn't improve performance either. fun
tibithegreat: that moment when you've been chasing a bug for a few hours, and you finally find it, and now you get to delete all the milion cerr's you added to find it
mzbear: cerr's did nothing to help find this. for some reason, the code still looked like it worked, most of the time
tibithegreat: I meant in my case :D
mzbear: and despite eliminating rand() ... it still went between 66k and 80k rounds in a loop before something went wrong, and i never managed to catch wtf happened
tibithegreat: I have to delete about 100 lines of debug :D
mzbear: ah, i see :)
mzbear: meanwhile, now i'm fiddlng random parameters around to see if i can make this work better ... except i dont have a testbench to do this, so this is pointless
mzbear: rank 3 in wood2 ... if i just wait it out, i might get lucky and win against the boss before the day is over. HMMM?
struct: boss is quite far away
struct: near 4.0 points
twitlydoof: Is codingame lagging?
mzbear: after some more tweaking, rank 1 in wood2 ... grrrrr
mzbear: gave up. went to chill in the livingroom, and the moment i relax i immediately got several new ideas for optimizations...
mzbear: i suppose i'll implement some of them
tibithegreat: I usually take my dogs for a walk :)
tibithegreat: when I feel blocked
tibithegreat: it's win-win cause I get to relax and see things from a different perspective, and my dogs get to go for a walk :D
Skynse: This year was a complete mess
Skynse: And I have a feeling that a portion of next year is going to be that way too
mzbear: haha none of my optimizations did any good. OHWELL
twitlydoof: every time i do shortmode
mzbear: that feeling when the optimization is too good to be true, and it is ... *sigh* ... 30% speedup between subsequent runs was due to hardware randomness
struct: yes its normal
struct: There are 5 machines
therealbeef: they only reliable way to optimize is to run your bot on your own computer against previous versions of the bot
therealbeef: or with profilers
mzbear: everytime i submit new revision, the boss loses a little bit of its score, even though my bot doesn't seem to be playing any stronger at all
mzbear: spent some time reading literature about the RAVE algorithm and then tweaked a few constants ... got much faster to high ranks, but still not doing too great against the boss :(
mzbear: found an interesting paper, too, an improvement on the RAVE algorithm called GRAVE ... but it involves one more tuning parameter, and i'm tuning these by hand in the web editor :D
struct: Whats RAVE?
struct: its for MCTS right?
mzbear: yeah. basically, in addition to updating MCTS win stastics, it updates all children along the backpropagation path if that move existed in the playout
mzbear: it helps deal with the ridiculous branching factor in this game
mzbear: because i get an additional statistic for many moves i didn't simulate
mzbear: boss score 29.52 ... me 29.28 ... GRRR
struct: its getting closer
mzbear: i'll just push this one constant a bit further and resubmit as-is lol
Astrobytes: Rapid Action Value Estimation struct. Never used it tbh
struct: I saw some paper that talked about it
struct: But I have trouble reading them
Astrobytes: Yeah, some of them are a bit... well, you know
Astrobytes: mzbear: do you need more sims?
Astrobytes: well, rollouts
mzbear: more sims would definitely help. but i'm already managing 1900 of them during the first round, so it's not that bad
mzbear: it gets much harsher for 4-player games, when the entire move tree gets obsolete before it's my turn again and it has to start from scratch
Astrobytes: I assume you've employed all the CG tricks?
Astrobytes: preallocating nodes etc
mzbear: they're preallocated yes
Astrobytes: cool
mzbear: the move generator is the bottleneck really
mzbear: i had to write two versions of it ... one that gives all moves, and one that gives an uniform random move
Astrobytes: did you profile it?
mzbear: nope, i'm still developing in the web editor only lol
Astrobytes: Stop that nonsense :D
mzbear: 915 lines of code currently ... in a 25x60 character window :D
Astrobytes: you know about CGLocal and CGSync right
mzbear: i saw something about them, and then it said about browser extension and i nope'd out for the time being
Astrobytes: well, fwiw they are useful
mzbear: i'm sure they are, this is quite painful way to develop really
Astrobytes: even if you're not running a local simulation just having your editor of choice on hand is a joyous experience
Astrobytes: Or copy-paste
mzbear: i'm finding that web editor quite handy, tbh
Astrobytes: Yeah, well, I find it OK for short things. And it's a heck of a lot better since they switched it to Monaco
Astrobytes: (ymmv depending on language, there are bugs and awfulness with the auto-suggest for a lot of users currently)
mzbear: some languages on CG are plain awful. I tried writing some puzzles in Pascal for some giggles, and for some reason the fpc is configured for 16 bit Integer type by default .. like MS-DOS mode
mzbear: and of course, no autocompletion or anything useful
Astrobytes: Glorious :D
Astrobytes: They're clearly going for the full retro experience.
mzbear: it's awful. I have a friend who writes fpc/delphi code primarily, and I was showing him codingame site two weeks ago and he asked about the pascal support...
Astrobytes: lol... well, you can put in a bug report/issue
Astrobytes: There are a few people who use Pascal on here sometimes iirc, T Bali is one
Astrobytes: So it's worth mentioning
mzbear: when does the puzzle of the week change? is it UTC time?
struct: its not at midnight
Astrobytes: I cannot remember if I'm honest, I rarely pay attention to it
struct: its at 13:00 CET I Think
struct: I could check email to be sure
mzbear: that's a lot of more time than i thought :O
ToshiTuringMachine: last 2 puzzles of the week were so good that you can play with them for years
ToshiTuringMachine: why rush next
mzbear: i want to reach wood1 while it's still the puzzle of the week :D
mzbear: no way i'd be putting this much effort into this otherwise
Astrobytes: ah, you should continue with more of the community-made games
struct: Just 3 games that are not worth playing
ToshiTuringMachine: there are also 96 pending contributions
Astrobytes: meh
Astrobytes: oh hey Toshi, how's it going
struct: Yavalath, Yinsh and Othello
Counterbalance: mzbear if you add {$mode objfpc} to the source it should alias integer to longint
mzbear: https://www.codingame.com/replay/515807626 ... omfg my bot is pathetic
ToshiTuringMachine: good Astrobytes and you?
Astrobytes: Cool. Yeah, all good here
ToshiTuringMachine: wow Counterbalance that's really a magic shot
ToshiTuringMachine: i was trying pascal too but stopped for a few reasons
Counterbalance: yeah it's like C++ #pragma ;)
ToshiTuringMachine: like... why de fak should one pick delphi/pascal in 2020
Counterbalance: you can probably enable delphi mode that way too
Counterbalance: ahyeah idk.. i stopped coding in pascal/delphi around 25 years ago
Counterbalance: it was my 2nd programming language so I do have fond memories
Astrobytes: wow, well I did not know that one tbh
ToshiTuringMachine: yeah me similar, they pushed it into high school as something better than basic
Counterbalance: basic being the first, indeed :)
Astrobytes: that was the standard progression back then :)
Counterbalance: you could do inline asm in pascal which was neat
ToshiTuringMachine: the very bad thing is that the compiler is not free
ToshiTuringMachine: commercial license
ToshiTuringMachine: when react flutter and all other are free... are they still living in year 2000?
Counterbalance: i had TP7, warez were all the rage since there were no internet laws to speak of as it was considered completely unreal and imaginary
Astrobytes: "warez" haha, I haven't heard that in a loooong time
Astrobytes: Toshi: capitalising on legacy codebase maintainers I guess
Counterbalance: yeah bbs time, pre internet :)
Astrobytes: I remember the BBSs, a friend of mine ran up the most incredible phone bill I have ever come across. His poor parents.
ToshiTuringMachine: how much?
Astrobytes: Off the top of my head I do not remember, it was in the thousands
Astrobytes: and they were very far from rich
Astrobytes: Also knew someone who did the same thing with 'adult' phone chatlines, but that was in the hundreds
Astrobytes: £ sterling btw
Zenoscave: did they change something with jabber rooms?
jacek: hm?
Astrobytes: rooms with jabbers in them
Zenoscave: I was added to a new room in the chat
Astrobytes: not sure tbh
Counterbalance: a bunch of numbered rooms?
Astrobytes: oh yeah, I forgot that's still happening
Counterbalance: I think they might be clash rooms from clash invites or something
Astrobytes: sometimes it's privatge message echoes
Astrobytes: *private
Astrobytes: Don't think they've quite figured it out yet. Possibly related to external clients iirc
Zenoscave: This one was named after my univserity
Astrobytes: Had you recently used it?
Zenoscave: never
Astrobytes: Or had anyone messaged you from it?
Zenoscave: nope
Zenoscave: it was empty
Astrobytes: There's been random numbered ones, duplicates of existing channels (just in web chat, not even counting jabber)
Zenoscave: weird
Zenoscave: Someone's doing funky things it seems
Astrobytes: Yeah. It's a 'known issue'
Zenoscave: but not funkadelic things it also seems
Astrobytes: There were some theories about that.
Astrobytes: hahah
Astrobytes: Ain't no P-Funk here
Zenoscave: nope
LastRick: Instead of asking "how long have you guys been coding?" just asked did you ever call a BBS? Talk about dating yourself
Astrobytes: Hahaha
mzbear: added small extra heuristic to MCTS to bias the initial move exploration towards larger pieces, so it more likely explores their moves first
mzbear: let's see if this is enough to push me to wood1....
mzbear: that seems to have been a good decision
mzbear: my score 29.28 ... boss 29.18 ... battles in progress 64%
LastRick: cutting it close :)
mzbear: oh no, it flipped back the other way around
mzbear: well, there's a chance i'll actually score higher than boss this time around
reCurse: Calling a BBS...
reCurse: Blast from the past
LastRick: yeah
LastRick: I swear, the dumber my algorithm on Mean Max, the better it does
mzbear: nnnooooo .... boss 29.01 .... me 28.92
LastRick: arrgggh,that stings a little
LastRick: what place
mzbear: i'm going to need an emergency can of pringles
VizGhar: what puzzle is it now?
mzbear: Blocking
mzbear: ... i'll just make that selection bias more aggressive and resubmit, lol
jacek: oO
mzbear: eh, looks like trying to force the search algorithm's hand is just making it weaker
Astrobytes: adjust exploration constant?
Astrobytes: *did you adjust
mzbear: i've tried adjusting it quite a bit, and sqrt(2) has worked the best so far ... going even 0.1 to either direction causes the bot to start playing noticeably weaker. then again, i haven't tried combining exploration tuning with the biased sampling yet...
jacek: do you use decisive/antidecisive move, mcts solver (though i dont know how that works in n-player games)
mzbear: i had some such code earlier, but didn't really manage to get it to work for me
Astrobytes: where's Smits when you need him eh
mzbear: this code has gone through massive amounts of bugfixing today, though
mzbear: i've been aiming for the low hanging fruit only because of the puzzle-of-the-week deadline
Astrobytes: yeah but now you've caught the Community Multiplayer Board Game Virus
struct: Othello boss is also strong
struct: Not made by me obviously
Astrobytes: that was darkhorse right? And he couldn't beat it initially iirc
DomiKo: is it that hard?
DomiKo: If I remember, pure MCTS can beat it
Astrobytes: Othello? Or Blocking?
DomiKo: Othello
DomiKo: I haven't done Blocking :(
Westicles: Quite the battle on CGfunge prime. I don't know how even to approach that
DomiKo: yea :/
Astrobytes: Hmm, not sure it was beatable with pure MCTS. I had an alphabeta
DomiKo: CGFunge isreally different problem
Astrobytes: still between dbd r and the other one at the top (forgot the name) ?
Westicles: xevi took back the lead
Astrobytes: ah
DomiKo: by a lot
Astrobytes: that is something
Astrobytes: I find the viewer to be awful on that (some colour-blindness), keep meaning to make PR
Astrobytes: *a PR
DomiKo: Westicles I can say that I will be approaching SameGame for the second time :D
Westicles: DomiKo great! There is still a bunch of room for improvement
DomiKo: I will try two algorithms
DomiKo: Wonder if I will get better results
darkhorse64: For Othello, i made a boss with a crippled engine but even with a faster one and a solver, it was to beat
Westicles: I try to run them every once in a while, but it isn't very satisfying. Let it run for 5 days and maybe it improves a little, maybe not
DomiKo: 5days is a lotttt
DomiKo: I only tried 12H for each testcase
DomiKo: I guess I have to buy some cloud to do it
Westicles: The guys on jsgames above me found those pretty quickly, so not necessary. Just need a good alg
Astrobytes: ah yes, I remember now darkhorse64
tibithegreat: when showing debug data to err, is the limit on the number of characters or on the number of lines? before it just prints "..."
tibithegreat: is there any way to bypass this limit?
DomiKo: ohhh another 16K in opti leaderboard
Astrobytes: DomiKo: you didn't like RAIC this year?
DomiKo: I didin't have time :(
DomiKo: hard time studying
Astrobytes: ah, fair enough. Best not to sacrifice the studying.
DomiKo: I had like 3 interesting contests is same time :(
Astrobytes: Oh there was a codeforces( or topcoder?) and aoc
DomiKo: Polish contest
DomiKo: https://potyczki.mimuw.edu.pl/
Westicles: azspcs got cancelled, so now I need something else to do
Astrobytes: wow, why did that get cancelled?
Westicles: He said he's taking some time off
Astrobytes: oh nice DomiKo
Astrobytes: Hmm
Astrobytes: Guess 2020 has been unkind to almost all of us
DomiKo: So I'm really happy that break is coiming
DomiKo: coming*
Astrobytes: Time to relax a bit eh
DomiKo: yeah, I need to recharge my batteries
Astrobytes: It's important. That brain needs a rest now and then you know
VizGhar: CG is like you have crush on somebody :D you simply won't let go
Westicles: They say programming is crack for the highly intelligent
VizGhar: Yeah... and imagine being addicted on your family and running
LastRick: Love running actually. Amazing how often I get an idea for CG when I'm on a long run
VizGhar: :thumbsup:
Astrobytes: I used to run a lot but due to the ongoing back issue I cannot sadly
Astrobytes: I find a musical interlude to be useful (playing or listening)
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm done for tonight. SEe you all later
DomiKo: See ya
LastRick: later
LastRick: And here we are again. The ol' spinning wheel time of night.
Jasperr: :D
Red_Hood_Jason_Todd: help I am 10 years old and I think the introduction went too fast
Red_Hood_Jason_Todd: please somebody
LastRick: If you have a specific question, put it in the forum and someone can answer it
Lobster_Speed: sup
Lobster_Speed: no i dont think
rwilson: that feeling when chat is dead and you could really use some commiseration
