Allis: Use any extension that lets you apply custom user CSS on a per-domain basis.
Allis: Then use the following CSS rule to prevent the annoying popup: .editor-widget { display: none; }
Allis: Not having to deal with arrow key thieves is *chef's kiss*.
eulerscheZahl: i'm fine with the popup.
But when I hit escape to close it again, the editor loses focus entirely
eulerscheZahl: on the other hand I rarely use the browser IDE so I don't really care
Gorbit99: now let's have a way that allows this only for coc Allis
Gorbit99: eulerscheZahl I guess you don't play as much coc as some of us do
eulerscheZahl: correct :P
eulerscheZahl: i would probably use the web IDE for clashes too
eulerscheZahl: especially for the easy ones
Andriamanitra: any extension that allows you to apply custom css also allows you to choose which url the custom css should be used in
Allis: Unfortunately, the URL is just .../ide/hash in all(?) cases, so that doesn't quite get there.
Gorbit99: well, not using the webide would basically equate to shooting yourself in the foot many times over
Gorbit99: btw, while I'm here
Allis: I think Andriamanitra was suggesting a way to have it be Clash-local.
Gorbit99: had this new forum post about coc putting me into the ide 13-ish seconds after the timer starts
Gorbit99: is coc synced in that way, or is it a luck based system
Allis: Yeah, I've experienced similar. Pretty rough.
Gorbit99: I'd be interested in finding that out, as some clashes don't even last 13 seconds
Allis: The timer started normally, but that could just have been a local effect.
Gorbit99: it was in a clash you were in too
Allis: That's quite an uphill battle. :P
Gorbit99: show off
Gorbit99: anyways, made a forum post
Allis: If it's any consolation, it wouldn't be especially hard for them to sync that sort of thing, so they probably do.
Gorbit99: although seems like since thibaud is on vacation or something, not many forum posts get answered regarding bugs
Allis: That said, it's impossible to know from our end, so I hope you get a response from someone at CG.
Gorbit99: well, we could test it
Gorbit99: although would be nice to know from staff
Allis: One of us kill our connection before the clash starts?
Allis: I feel like that might test something different.
Gorbit99: just the start time of two people in a clash
Gorbit99: if one starts at 5 seconds in, the other at 20, that's proof
eulerscheZahl: Andriamanitra 06:36AM
any extension that allows you to apply custom css [...]
The first thing that comes to my mind: stylish. Unfortunately it got bought and collects all kind of user information now
eulerscheZahl: Try GreaseMonkey / TamperMonkey
Gorbit99: I'm sure tampermonkey can do it, even with some coc detection thingies
eulerscheZahl: you can have wildcards in the URL at TamperMonkey
eulerscheZahl: and adding a style via JS shouldn't be that hard either (haven't tried)
Gorbit99: but the url is the same as a normal puzzle, isn't it?
eulerscheZahl: so you don't want to modify the IDE for normal puzzles?
eulerscheZahl: but sure, there must be an indicator one could use to detect CoC. Like the shortest/fastest mode shown at the top
Andriamanitra: i think normal puzzles are ide/puzzle/* and clash is just ide/*
eulerscheZahl: and then there are multiplayers
eulerscheZahl: also /puzzle/ide
Gorbit99: ide/puzzle
eulerscheZahl: yeah, that
Gorbit99: thankfully I got a simple shortest puzzle
Gorbit99: seems like coc url is /ide/hash, all other urls are /ide/puzzle/hash
eulerscheZahl: a regular clasher once said that there is a CoC taking 4 chars in shortest mode
Gorbit99: yep, I know that one
Gorbit99: and the shortest solution is in basj
Gorbit99: h*
eulerscheZahl: he also said that it's a typing contest who can submit the fatest
Gorbit99: haven't seen that one puzzle ever again since I heard valnykol complaining about it
Gorbit99: that was around 2 years ago
eulerscheZahl: clashes get rated by players. when they drop below a certain treshold they are removed
eulerscheZahl: that is a per-mode thing. So it can be a bad reverse but still fine for shortest
Gorbit99: really? thought it's a manual thing
Gorbit99: then I feel much better about rating bad reverses low
eulerscheZahl: they automated it now (maybe 1 year ago)
even for community puzzles
Allis: Are you sure it was four characters? I can't think what Bashism could possibly solve a puzzle with that few.
Gorbit99: well, it's good they did
Allis: "wc -c" is five.
Gorbit99: it was something stupid
Allis: Well, of course.
Gorbit99: weird characters all the way through
Allis: For reference, eulerscheZahl, Stylus is Stylish without the suck.
eulerscheZahl: ah, didn't know
Allis: It's a hostile fork with good intentions.
Allis: I'm not sure we have a name for that.
Gorbit99: now I might have a tampermonkey script ready
Gorbit99: time to try it
jacek: happy Caturday
Gorbit99: the css trick isn't working well Allis
Gorbit99: it still doesn't let you move with arrow keys, it just hides the reason why
Allis: That's odd. Browser?
Gorbit99: chromium
Allis: Stylish?
Gorbit99: oh, I need that also?
Allis: Well, you need some way of applying custom CSS to a page.
Gorbit99: I just used tampermonkey to inject the css
Gorbit99: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fa86b9f2-aa38-4687-bfc8-d774453458e0
Gorbit99: with this
Gorbit99: and it worked sorta, it does hide the popup
Allis: It must be that TamperMonkey isn't firing early enough, but I don't know the particulars.
Gorbit99: well, it just puts some css right into the style
Gorbit99: let's check with stylish
Allis: Sure, but the web is complicated.
Allis: JS+CSS means you can have a "nonexistent" element that nevertheless captures events and just generally has side effects.
Gorbit99: probably needs some tinkering in JS to get rid of this
Gorbit99: yep, same with stylish
Allis: That's very strange.
Allis: I can only report that it doesn't happen on my end, but that's not of much use to you.
Gorbit99: once I get the vim error fixed, I can not worry about this issue
Gorbit99: I'm slower without that either way
HoangMrPhuc: :V
HoangMrPhuc: we
HoangMrPhuc: we
HoangMrPhuc: hey
HoangMrPhuc: hey
Gorbit99: hey hey
_-: what about stopping the language server?
Allis: That's definitely more up TamperMonkey's alley, but I'd sooner just MITM my connection to not serve up the JS at all.
Allis: I've generally had a better experience doing things that way than relying on TM getting there "in time".
Tobes2:
Tobes2: oops
Tobes2: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/da07280a-3257-4487-b04d-18d69f06d99f
jacek: oO
eulerscheZahl: happy Caturday jacek
Uljahn: happy Caturday jacek
jacek: *naked guy tickles wet pussy* https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aK71pBQ_460svav1.mp4
Allis: Why is it so long?
jrke: happy caturday :)
AntiSquid: cat that like water ?
AntiSquid: showering *
HoangMrPhuc: hihi
dbdr: lol, in Go, if the opponent passes, I do my search thinking I'm them :D
HoangMrPhuc: sadsa
HoangMrPhuc: P:)
MSmits: yay 109/163 on breakthrough with no eval :P
MSmits: it always backpropagates 0
MSmits: 13 million root visits on turn 1, over 1 million on later turns
MSmits: basically, the only time the bot knows what to do is when it's solved the game, like 5 plies before the end :P
MSmits: no idea yet how to eval this
dbdr: better than random
MSmits: yeah
dbdr: I guess when my bot has identify issues, it's worse than random :D
MSmits: identify issues?
dbdr: in Go, if the opponent passes, I do my search thinking I'm them :D
MSmits: you identify your opponent?
dbdr: identity
MSmits: ohh ok
MSmits: that can happen in Othello as well
MSmits: it's messy
dbdr: the fix is not hard
MSmits: no, but I fixed it wrong a few times until I had it
MSmits: at first it worked for 1 pass, but not for chain-passes
MSmits: my own ones
MSmits: didn't really matter because when you chain pass you probably lost anyway
dbdr: however I want to implement the crash detection from replays, and that's messy. because each games reports it differently
MSmits: how do you use this"?
MSmits: do you gather information from replays automaticall?
MSmits: like euler's heroku app?
dbdr: stats, yes
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: what do you use this for?
dbdr: and a way to know if I have timeouts without clicking all of them manually
MSmits: ah, euler does this too
dbdr: so mostly that
MSmits: cg bench will do that, but i guess with rust....
dbdr: but the stats can be interesting too, like win rates separate for each position (player 0/1/...)
MSmits: ah yes
dbdr: curious how cgbench detects timeouts
MSmits: it detects crashes
dbdr: most games give a -1.0 score if you timeout, but not all
MSmits: might not be timeout
dbdr: yes but how
MSmits: hmm should ask Neumann
dbdr: I basically have special cases for several games
dbdr: based on strings in the summary :/
eulerscheZahl: it's on github, check the code
dbdr: sure
dbdr: it might also not work on all games
MSmits: true
eulerscheZahl: my script checks for messages
eulerscheZahl: "timeout" or "disintegrated"
eulerscheZahl: the latter is hypersonic
MSmits: he also updated this part of the program a few times
dbdr: I have those, but you need to adapt to many other ones
eulerscheZahl: i even forgot where the repo is
dbdr: and in atari it's not in the summary, only as a tooltip
MSmits: https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark
eulerscheZahl: just that I found it too
dbdr: thx
Neumann: Hi
Neumann: https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark/blob/master/src/main/java/fr/svivien/cgbenchmark/model/test/TestOutput.java#L48
eulerscheZahl: Neuman n has linked it on the profile
MSmits: hi Neumann, sorry i pinged you
eulerscheZahl: and now i don't have to escape the name anymore
dbdr: https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark/commit/d2978aa1cf88688e571fd41efd3327f4a7407fd5
Neumann: Here is the part where I check for crashes
MSmits: nice :)
dbdr: so clean, with constants ;)
Neumann: It isn't perfect; as dbdr said, the detection isn't always the same for every game
Neumann: Sometimes the info is in the frame, sometimes it's in the tooltip
eulerscheZahl: return lowerCaseMsg.contains(Constants.TIMEOUT_INFORMATION_PART)
|| lowerCaseMsg.contains(Constants.TIMEOUT_BIS_INFORMATION_PART)
|| lowerCaseMsg.contains(Constants.INVALID_INFORMATION_PART)
|| lowerCaseMsg.contains(Constants.INVALID_BIS_INFORMATION_PART);
eulerscheZahl: i know your pain Neumann
Neumann: This version works with most (every ?) game
Neumann: I sometimes have to patch for new games
MSmits: i have had no issies
MSmits: issues
eulerscheZahl: but does it work for game of drones?
MSmits: havent tried
eulerscheZahl: not even sure if it was that one anymore
one game was annoying in that matter
eulerscheZahl: i think i'll troll you and create a game that gives timeout string without being an actual timeout
Neumann: It should work on GoD
dbdr: this uses gameinformation and summary. so misses the tooltips
dbdr: also the tooltip is "Suicidal move", quite specific
Neumann: You can do the same kind of poor string check on replays downloaded from the last battles, to check wheter or not your arena bot times-out or not
eulerscheZahl: that's what I do
Neumann: On GoD, gameInformation : "¤RED¤Timeout: the program did not provide ..."
MSmits: I am guessing the text is red :P
eulerscheZahl: i think i remember now: wasn't part of the tooltips
dbdr: and ¤ is a standard escape char, as we all know
MSmits: naturally
Neumann: What are you guys up to these days ? Haven't been around in a while
eulerscheZahl: coding my own game
eulerscheZahl: with hookers and backjack
eulerscheZahl: black*
eulerscheZahl: ¤BLACK¤
Neumann: Sounds interesting
Neumann: CG game ?
Neumann: Might break CG's editorial line
MSmits: mostly making bots for boardgames, trying to keep up with the new games
eulerscheZahl: "I think it can be possible to make it a community contest if it's complete.
keep me updated with your progress"
eulerscheZahl: now thibaud is off for holidays so i'll wait till he's back
MSmits: make the game even better
eulerscheZahl: the game is finished for what i wanted to do
MSmits: make the characters in your game do a dancing animation when they win
Neumann: There are so many new ones, I'm so late and dbdr is climbing the ladder. I might need to invest some time on CG again
eulerscheZahl: so waiting for feedback, wish me luck :)
dbdr: Neumann: good move pretending not to get the irony :+1:
MSmits: but... please keep in mind the dancing animation
MSmits: it's the key to success
Neumann: dbdr : meta-irony
eulerscheZahl: like in codebusters MSmits?
MSmits: oh, yeah
dbdr: all the way in some direction
dbdr: maybe thibault being on holiday is the perfect time to break the editorial line ;)
eulerscheZahl: Thibau**d**
eulerscheZahl: every single time :D
eulerscheZahl: what do you mean with "editorial line"?
MSmits: did you guys ever request a paper through researchgate?
eulerscheZahl: no @MSmits
dbdr: Neumann: resistance is futile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQE66WA2s-A
MSmits: it's funny, i click a button and then i have to explain why i want it. So I just tell them I need it for a CG bot and they all give me their papers :P
MSmits: it's no problem apparently, they like it when their stuff gets used
Neumann: Wow, I'd never seen the whole segment. Didn't know they dubbed the whole thing haha
dbdr: MSmits: I use it when it's already there, never requested. so that works well too?
MSmits: yeah, if you have an account
MSmits: I have 1 paper on there so I could get one
dbdr: how does that work? they contact the authors?
eulerscheZahl: do you think they read your request? or could you paste the lorem ipsum as a reasoning?
MSmits: the authors get a request in a type of inbox
MSmits: and they just click approve
MSmits: eulerscheZahl they can read it, but they dont have to
dbdr: don't they have to upload the paper?
MSmits: no
MSmits: its already there
MSmits: they just release it
dbdr: from where?
MSmits: the researchgate servers i guess?
eulerscheZahl: so it probably is a per-case thing, depending on the author. some will read it, others wont
MSmits: yeah
dbdr: they magically get all papers published instantly?
dbdr: nice tech :D
MSmits: I don't know how researchgate does it
MSmits: just that it works :)
MSmits: I got 2 papers from a guy on early playout termination
MSmits: and some stuff on oware or othello, cant remember
dbdr: so now they are public?
MSmits: no
MSmits: only I got them, i am not supposed to share obviously
MSmits: it's their work
MSmits: I'll tell you if I learned anything from it
dbdr: what's the difference with all those that are public on RG?
MSmits: some just aren't public
dbdr: sure, but many are
MSmits: yes
MSmits: but research is often unique
MSmits: one paper will refer to another paper thats not public
MSmits: "we use the evaluation function from... "
MSmits: something like that
Neumann: That's the amount of "try-hard" needed nowadays to crush multis ? Read unreleased research papers ?
MSmits: they are released to universities
MSmits: just not the layman
Neumann: I'm too lazy for this
dbdr: research that is funded by public money (our taxes) should be freely available
MSmits: yes, but there's different countries
MSmits: sharing policies are not all the same
MSmits: also sometimes they want to make some money off of it
MSmits: the universities
MSmits: I guess
dbdr: editors make money, not the authors
MSmits: i know
dbdr: it's a racket, basically
MSmits: sure
dbdr: more and more people refuse it
MSmits: but it's gotten better
MSmits: 20 years ago you could get nothing
dbdr: even the reviewers do work for them, without pay
dbdr: definitely better
eulerscheZahl: my effort estimation for community games (as you see to care about global ranking Neumann): getting to the very top isn't much easier than for a contest. but gives way less points
MSmits: btw as for what Neumann said, you really don't *need* the papers, but sometimes it can save you time. I am trying to find some evaluation ideas for breakthrough currently.
MSmits: hopefully some tested ideas are in there
Neumann: I don't care that much, I just want to stay ahead of dbdr, the rest I don't care
MSmits: lol
Neumann: He already shamed me on every optim game
eulerscheZahl: :D
MSmits: these days that seems to be the same thing Neumann
MSmits: getting ahead of dbdr is getting ahead of almost everyone else
MSmits: he;s in code golf, optim and on many multis as well
dbdr: not that high on multis
eulerscheZahl: and has almost 5000 clashing points
MSmits: no, but you did well on a few
dbdr: MSmits, you have a more reasonable ranking now that you got the clashing CPs too :)
MSmits: yeah, I am happy with the quest map forcing me to do clashes :)
Neumann: All these CoC points ..
MSmits: one of these days I'll man up and do more of those ex-contest games and really get some cp :P
eulerscheZahl: the global leaderboard is mostly how much time you were willing to invest. and how you distributed it.
the contest is what shows the skill level
dbdr: well, now most people hav CoC points, no? the opposite of before when nobody did
MSmits: eulerscheZahl it shows skill level to some degree, there is still a lot of time pressure on contests
MSmits: some people just cant invest enough even if they are good
MSmits: like pb4, when he has the time, he rocks
eulerscheZahl: true
MSmits: not complain here btw, I invest extreme amounts of time in contests
dbdr: contests are definitely more fair regarding time (though not perfect). but doing well under time pressure is one skill, not the absolute one
MSmits: but some cant
MSmits: it's more a family thing dbdr
MSmits: I can tell my wife I am checking out for a week
MSmits: that's not true for everyone :P
dbdr: sure, so nothing is perfectly fair
MSmits: yeah and that's ok
dbdr: I was more responding to euler
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: then let's say ranking on single games vs global ranking
dbdr: like Marchete does not like contests, does not mean he's not skilled
MSmits: I also don't think it's problematic that the global leaderboard is about time invested
eulerscheZahl: the latter is a hell of time, while playing 1 or 2 games are feasible
dbdr: yeah, and many people can be #1 in at least one thing and say this is what they focused on :)
dbdr: so every1 is a winner ;)
MSmits: there are very few people that systematically do all the multis just to get cp
MSmits: even euler i would not say did this, he's just been here a long time
MSmits: tric trac did it though
MSmits: that was fast
eulerscheZahl: and now i can't keep up with the speed of new games popping up
MSmits: maybe not fully, but you keep up fairly well
MSmits: at least you do the optims mostly?
dbdr: new games give CPs only slowly anyways
MSmits: also eulerscheZahl, it's partially your fault :P
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/tw6tep
do you really think so?
MSmits: oh thats more than I thought
MSmits: some of these you can quickly slap a minimax on though
MSmits: takes you 1 day each
eulerscheZahl: and maybe it's more fun to make others waste their time than to only invest mine :imp:
MSmits: a basic minimax will get you rank 10 on yavalath euler
MSmits: well at least to p20
MSmits: good cp
eulerscheZahl: meh
eulerscheZahl: not doing it for the CP
eulerscheZahl: in theory I know how to do a basic minimax
MSmits: didnt you do it a lot?
eulerscheZahl: i care more about the gameplay
MSmits: ah, yeah me too
eulerscheZahl: you love those board games. i miss the "extra twist" here
eulerscheZahl: the bells and whistles
MSmits: the "extra' twixt maybe?
dbdr: the hoockers?
eulerscheZahl: :D
MSmits: lol
MSmits: do you mean graphics/animation wise or just pure gameplay options?
MSmits: like special moves/powers etc.?
eulerscheZahl: gameplay wise
eulerscheZahl: the mix of search and heuristics
eulerscheZahl: i know you need a scoring for those board games too
eulerscheZahl: it just feels different and i'm not that much into it
eulerscheZahl: and maybe i'm just not as hyped anymore as i was 3 or 4 years ago
dbdr: missing the immersion of less abstract games
eulerscheZahl: had some sleepless nights because i just couldn't stop thinking when I was new
eulerscheZahl: I don't have those anymore
dbdr: use coffee. you can sleep when you're dead ;)
eulerscheZahl: that terribly smelling stuff? no way
dbdr: it's a learned taste :)
MSmits: I have less sleepless nights also... but still get hyped on contests
MSmits: even though I find the games themselves less interesting than boardgames
MSmits: it's funny that you yourself built one of the most interesting boardgames on CG euler
dbdr: again, an eulerscheZahl/MSmits combo would be basically unbeatable ;)
eulerscheZahl: coding a game is a different experience that playing one :P
MSmits: well I do remember that on contests where we shared more in PM we did better :P
MSmits: or I did anyway, always nice to get some professional help on tools and stuff
MSmits: remind me to bug you more on next contest euler :P
eulerscheZahl: yeah, "professional"
i never really learned that web request stuff
eulerscheZahl: that part is self-taught
MSmits: isn't almost everything professional coders do?
eulerscheZahl: without stackoverflow most of us would be doomed
MSmits: yea
dbdr: for the parts you don't use often
jacek: i use scihub for papers
jacek: oops scrolled
eulerscheZahl: i use printer paper
eulerscheZahl: 500 sheets for 3 Euro or whatever it costs
dbdr: isn't that a bit blank though? ;)
eulerscheZahl: i need some free space to scribble my thoughts on it
jacek: poor papers
eulerscheZahl: should I get a whiteboard?
jacek: thats racist
dbdr: I just got one!
MSmits: I always end up getting free notebooks (the paper kind) that i scribble in
MSmits: you get them at a conference and such
eulerscheZahl: i know, visited some too back in my student days
MSmits: I thought you still did
eulerscheZahl: and we had a coding contest at university twice a year. sponsored so you got free pens and paper
MSmits: I kinda have no choice at work
MSmits: someone has to go to these things
MSmits: school has to have a presence
MSmits: I can avoid it sometimes, but not always and sometimes they're cool
eulerscheZahl: i've only been part of an "open door day" (not sure if that translates well)
MSmits: this is when other companies or students come visit your company?
eulerscheZahl: so those interested in a job after school could come and look around, seeing what we are doing there
eulerscheZahl: exactly
MSmits: ah yes, we have those as well
MSmits: not just for children to come to the school, also for other school to share experiences
eulerscheZahl: or where the mom comes and asks all kind of questions while the kid is standing in the back :P
MSmits: yes that happens, but generally in the last few years they tend to try to push the kid to ask the questions
MSmits: which is better
MSmits: the day where we advertise for children to come to our school and parents come and such, is the toughest day of the year i think
MSmits: it's from 7 pm to 9 pm and afterward you need to cleanup
MSmits: but some of us still have to teach in the morning
MSmits: both that day and the next
MSmits: I always start the first class of the next day saying: Sorry if I seem zombie-like today
eulerscheZahl: but CG is running a contest again
MSmits: you got it?
eulerscheZahl: huh?
you are a zombie during CG contests
MSmits: or do you mean company sponsored secret contest?
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: that
MSmits: yeah that too, but thats a bad excuse :P
MSmits: i can only use the zombie excuse when it's caused by work
eulerscheZahl: your students know about your CG habits anyways
eulerscheZahl: they can count 1 and 1 together
MSmits: a few months into the year they do, not at the start
dbdr: do we need CGer Anonymous? ;)
eulerscheZahl: Anonymous Algorighmics
eulerscheZahl: I still have the contribution somewhere, never finished it
MSmits: puzzle?
eulerscheZahl: multiplayer
MSmits: oh really
MSmits: what was it about?
MSmits: was that the beer game?
dbdr: you got MSmits interest :D
eulerscheZahl: yes
MSmits: I seem to remember
dbdr: again?
dbdr: Vinidium has beer too
eulerscheZahl: and Bender
dbdr: true
dbdr: how German ;)
MSmits: yeah but he had a more beer-central game than vindinium
eulerscheZahl: Anonymous Algorithmics was my first game which I never finished
eulerscheZahl: just to get in touch with the SDK
eulerscheZahl: you are building bars
eulerscheZahl: and navigating passer-byes to visit them
dbdr: oh, must use very old SDK version then
eulerscheZahl: version 1.X
eulerscheZahl: we have 3.14 now
eulerscheZahl: 3.15
MSmits: past pi already huh
dbdr: growing fast :D
eulerscheZahl: so of course it's broken If I try to reupload it now
dbdr: doesn't it depend on a specific version?
dbdr: like old games don't get broken
eulerscheZahl: pixi.js itself got an update
dbdr: hopefully
eulerscheZahl: so all the older version are now blacklisted on CG
eulerscheZahl: can't upload
dbdr: but they still work
eulerscheZahl: offline
dbdr: mot sure if makes sense
dbdr: *it
dbdr: I mean uTTT still works online too
dbdr: it was the first SDK game I think
eulerscheZahl: all I know: you can't upload some, really old versions anymore
dbdr: kinda makes sense, at the same time I don't think they can ever stop supporting old SDKs
eulerscheZahl: and some old contributions just stopped working
dbdr: multis?
AntiSquid: how are old games being updated
AntiSquid: on CG
dbdr: I don't think they are updated
eulerscheZahl: that only affects really old versions. before anyone could upload their games
eulerscheZahl: it was in Beta for a long time
AntiSquid: and some games have really old versions no? games here aren't containerized, i wonder how they don't break
dbdr: right, makes sense not to support that
dbdr: AntiSquid: because they depend on a specific version
eulerscheZahl: defined in pom.xml
dbdr: which still exists
eulerscheZahl: maven still has the old SDK versions
AntiSquid: so thy do have the older versions still available but deny access to them from new games eh
eulerscheZahl: I even updated Bender this week
was on my TODO for a long time
not it's not eating all the RAM anymore
dbdr: very cool to do that!
eulerscheZahl: no AntiSquid. some old contributions are completely broken now (black replay)
dbdr: what fixed the RAM issue?
eulerscheZahl: SDK version update. I don't know the details
dbdr: ok
dbdr: what kind of old contributions?
eulerscheZahl: it's just that the broken contributions luckily never got published
eulerscheZahl: just some user who probably left long ago still having a broken contribution in the private section
eulerscheZahl: there was a rock paper scissors game. that might be broken, dunno
eulerscheZahl: OoC was broken too before Illedan and I got our hands on it
AntiSquid: the RPS was removed
AntiSquid: no idea why
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/71980557041b57ab49fcd374d3e804175be358
the anonymous algorithmics contribution...
eulerscheZahl: images not shown anymore
AntiSquid: BotG and Code Royale are older
eulerscheZahl: maybe CG updated those on their own? I don't know
MSmits: mmh went from rank 109 to top 50 breakthrough just by counting pieces. It's definitely more helpful than it is in Othello
eulerscheZahl: the IDE link above doesn't even have a "view contribution"
sOMEONE: heys
AntiSquid: no
dbdr: there is also no stub
eulerscheZahl: just try this
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/12037df2-aa1b-4b06-a95b-75705a52809b
dbdr: Oups An error occurred (#NO_CODE): "A code must be provided".
dbdr: someone was collecting, that's a new one :)
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: I remember that forum post
dbdr: class Alcoholic :D
eulerscheZahl: a classy drunk
dbdr: oh, viewer works
eulerscheZahl: partially
dbdr: ah, ok
eulerscheZahl: there used to be images
dbdr: looks psychedelic
eulerscheZahl: moe's tavern and the bar from Family Guy
dbdr: #1 :D
dbdr: too bad I can't approve it
eulerscheZahl: zeno submitted in 2018. man, this is old
dbdr: it's Alcoholics Anonymous
eulerscheZahl: so: is it more beer-centered than Vindinium? :D
dbdr: definitely
Fronix: 5 minuts challenge?
eulerscheZahl: don't you dare inviting us to a clash of code
dbdr: "Integer y: the y location of the alcoholic
Integer state: 2 if upgraded, 1 otherwise"
dbdr: so you can upgrade alcoholics? :D
eulerscheZahl: no, bars
dbdr: well...
eulerscheZahl: don' trust the statement
dbdr: the statement says otherwise
eulerscheZahl: don' trust the statement
dbdr: were you drunk when you wrote it?
eulerscheZahl: i don't drink alcohol at all :D
dbdr: thought so
eulerscheZahl: but I copy-paste
dbdr: worse ;)
dbdr: copy-pasters anonymous
MSmits: its funny how adding more eval features completely changes your bot in weird ways
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/480898165
MSmits: I added mobility and empty columns and now it will immediately remove the front row to give more space for the back row
MSmits: while keeping all columns filled
jacek: he does only what you told him to do
MSmits: yeah, i know, it still funny
MSmits: because it's so regular
jacek: looks like that phalanx game
MSmits: kinda looks like a phalanx, not sure which game you mean
jacek: do you use race patterns yet
MSmits: nah, it's harder than I thought
MSmits: I will try once I get a basic bot going
MSmits: i want to get a bunch of features in like i did for othello, maybe try and avx them a bit
MSmits: it looks stupid now
MSmits: want it to look a bit more like it knows what it's doing :)
jacek: hmm cant find it. its was like breakthrough but wider and you could move few pawns in group
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: breakthrough is a bit like having army lines
MSmits: I guess that's what i need to eval
MSmits: support from neighboring pawns
MSmits: ntuples might work here too btw
jacek: there was paper on that
MSmits: oh ok
jacek: i tried TDL. it was winning 90% agains my normal eval in 1 ply, but got crushed in more plies
MSmits: TDL what? a ntuple bot?
jacek: all 3x3 patterns for breakthrough
MSmits: ahh ok
MSmits: maybe it just took too much time to calculate?
MSmits: or to look up I guess
jacek: it was as fast
jacek: and well, i played with fixed depth
MSmits: hmm
MSmits: did you try to figure out what was missing from your ntuple bot that was in your normal bot? There is nothing wrong with combining the two?
MSmits: just add up the evals with some parameter
jacek: having 18 x 19683 weights is meh anyway
jacek: no, i tried only ntuples
MSmits: hm ok
MSmits: hmm how do you fit that/
jacek: fit what
MSmits: that many weights
jacek: i only used it locally
MSmits: ah ok
jacek: my NN has 30k weights
MSmits: what type of NN is it?
MSmits: Robo always does the alpha zero thing I think
jacek: its just MLP with 1 hidden layer and 1 output giving eval
jacek: im too dumb to make policy net yet
MSmits: my little pony again?
jacek: you said it
jacek: multi-layer perceptron
MSmits: ah yeah
MSmits: 1 hidden layer doesn't seem much chance for complicated patterns?
jacek: 1 hidden layer is enough to predict any function. though youd need many many units in it :)
MSmits: ah ok
jacek: i dont use any CNN or filters either
MSmits: how do you train these locally?
MSmits: what tools?
jacek: for breakthrough, i player thousands games with my handcrafted bot and let it to analyze each position to 4ply, then NN tries to fit into that
MSmits: oh supervised learning ?
MSmits: that requires you to already have quite a good bot
MSmits: you were rank 2 before weren't you?
MSmits: under tric trac/
MSmits: ?
jacek: which i have
jacek: yes
MSmits: kk that explains that
MSmits: and this was an ab bot?
MSmits: i think tric trac had one
jacek: yes
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: thanks for answering all those questions :)
jacek: if my eval is smart as ab's eval at 4 plies, then i get 'free' 4 plies strength
TheMassiveGhost_8138: How do i 5 star "The Descent"? Or are the stars the rating of the level made by players^
TheMassiveGhost_8138: ?
MSmits: yes jacek makes total sense to me
jacek: besides i also reinforced it, my old NN analyzed for 4 plies and tried to fit in. again and again until saturates
MSmits: TheMassiveGhost_8138 they are contributor ratings, dont worry about them
TheMassiveGhost_8138: oh okay thank you
MSmits: 100% = 100%
MSmits: some have achievements though, very few
MSmits: jacek, one time I suggested to re curse that if you nearly solve a game or run a very deep meta mcts, you can use it to train a NN, he said that would not work. But isn't that what you did sort of?
jacek: yes
jacek: i try to mimic teacher, be it solved values, or deeper bot
MSmits: yeah
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/J4cgS7O.png
MSmits: nice lines
jacek: in blue one screwed and forgot about scaling, yet it beats the handrafted eval after 9k
jacek: games
MSmits: I see
MSmits: well it's nice to see that training a NN is not yet an I-win button and you still need to make a good regular bot first
MSmits: this is true for creating books with meta mcts also
MSmits: without a good bot it just won't work
jacek: actually othello was first trained by TDL, then i used the self supervised thing
MSmits: is it a NN now?
MSmits: it wasnt before
jacek: ntuples
MSmits: hmm ok, but thats not really NN because you decided the patterns
jacek: but you still need to train weights
MSmits: true
MSmits: if you were wanting to, i am sure you could take nr 1 in Othello btw
jacek: let rust have a victory for once
MSmits: hmm ok
MSmits: well he needs to retrain his bot then
MSmits: and make it a little less deterministic, because i can re-book it in 1 hr
MSmits: yours will take me a day or something
MSmits: it's much more random
MSmits: not sure if I am going to bother to keep doing that if it takes me as long as it did the first time
MSmits: code size is not the limit here
MSmits: it's me-time
jacek: ask for some grants from the university :v
MSmits: lol
xlr4829: javascript for ever
xlr4829: AI ????
MSmits: ai ai sir
jrke: lol,i pushed someone above boss and later pushed him down but still he is going to be promoted in next league :smiley:
DomiKo: yes, that's weird
DomiKo: weird is CodeBusters silver league too
DomiKo: 24 people
DomiKo: silver boss look like random
DomiKo: while the bronze one was pretty strong
jrke: more weird is Botters of galaxy gold only 6 people
AntiSquid: no it's not weird, once you are above boss with stable rank you get promoted
AntiSquid: also botg multi gold boss is weaker than contest gold boss afaik
DomiKo: weird is that silver boss < bronze boss
eulerscheZahl: for BotG it's hard to tell if a boss is hard or not. They are vastly different at least
DomiKo: in CodeBusters
eulerscheZahl: contest: ranged
multiplayer: meele boss
DomiKo: silver boss is randomly walking
DomiKo: so i guess he is weaker
eulerscheZahl: silver is also really small at codebusters
AntiSquid: no, multi is lancer flip + drS pull
eulerscheZahl: oh, you said that a few lines above
AntiSquid: rare type of bot
eulerscheZahl: a Thibaud bot
eulerscheZahl: by contest bot was like 5 points above the boss when I submitted it in the multiplayer
eulerscheZahl: promoted a few others as well
rock paper scissors helped me against the boss
AntiSquid: problem with that kind of unique boss is you can detect boss by hero selection and hard code vs it :/
AntiSquid: so if someone in gold hardcodes then ya boss drops :D
LeBaoHoang8A4: hey can yu guys tell me how to block someonr? One guy just iviting me to clash ALL the time!
AntiSquid: you could disable clash invites
AntiSquid: but it disables all
LeBaoHoang8A4: how to do it?
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/settings/notifications
LeBaoHoang8A4: thanks!
AntiSquid: bottom one
LeBaoHoang8A4: got it
xlr4829: pika pika pikashu
DominikDrums: Hi
Gorbit99: hi
DominikDrums: Can you guys tell me how to view history of my submissions for each clash of code I participated in?
Gorbit99: don't think you can
DominikDrums: So after game is over I cannot go back to this task and review my code later?
Gorbit99: you aren't really supposed to
DominikDrums: Why? It would be only available to me and I guess the number of tasks is large enough not to expect overlap of task
Gorbit99: because it's a quick and dirty race and you are basically supposed to do hacky, ugly code
Gorbit99: also, you haven't yet played 500+ clashes, then they do repeat
jacek: well in notifications when clash is over you have link to the clash
jacek: i think you can see code there
Gorbit99: you can't I don't think so
Gorbit99: well, if you shared
Gorbit99: guess another reason to share your code
DomiKo: you can see it
DomiKo: you dont't need to share to see your own code
DomiKo: you can always see it
Gorbit99: yeah, you're right, I just checked one where I didn't share
Gorbit99: I guess the issue then is that you can't see the task itself again
DomiKo: yap
DomiKo: but you can search it ;P
Gorbit99: you can't if you don't see the submissions
aCat: but you don't have the title ;-)
Gorbit99: eh, that's the least of the issues, as you have the author
aCat: you can see contributions with level >=20
Gorbit99: you can also see contributions if you've got to the contribution questline in coc
Gorbit99: even if you're below level 20
eulerscheZahl: but you have the author aCat. that's enough to start a search
aCat: It was already said
aCat: don't jump at me euler ;p
eulerscheZahl: i'm stupid
aCat: I was the one trying to help here ;p
eulerscheZahl: how's the same game going?
aCat: I got offline the multiturn version done
aCat: an hour this morning
aCat: but
aCat: Now I suppose it is stupid to leave warnings for the nonlegal moves
aCat: they should be errors straight ahead
aCat: what do you think?
eulerscheZahl: both options sound fine to me
aCat: hm
aCat: when it is warning, you can gain more time by sending nonlegal moves
eulerscheZahl: when do you end the game? no more valid moves?
aCat: like i got solution of length 80 best
eulerscheZahl: good point. then it's an error i guess
aCat: yep
aCat: and spend 20 additional turns on computing
aCat: you will never loose only possibly gain
aCat: yep ;-)
aCat: I will try update it today
aCat: just trying to finish this damn crossword ;p
eulerscheZahl: another puzzle of the week that you will finish too late?
DomiKo: crossword was so ugly
aCat: exactly
aCat: I didn't had much time
aCat: and I'm trying to do ruby achievement
aCat: what an ugly version of python
aCat: but some tricks are really interesting
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/rubik%C2%AE
the language farming puzzle
aCat: nice to know
aCat: In theory I wanted to do real puzzles with unknown languages to learn them at least a little
aCat: and I did a lot for ruby
aCat: but yeah
aCat: onboarding all the way baby ^^'
Gorbit99: what
DomiKo: time to get some bronzs thanks :smile:
Gorbit99: I thought descent is the farming one
eulerscheZahl: there are even easier ones than rubik :D
aCat: oh I forgot about descent
Gorbit99: but this is medium
aCat: but cmon - I got lot of unsolved
eulerscheZahl: like A*Craft: submit the default code and you get 100% correctness
aCat: but it's not a puzzle?
eulerscheZahl: optim counts too
aCat: oO
eulerscheZahl: as long as you get 100%
aCat: buahahaha
Gorbit99: what's the easiest hardest?
aCat: batman one
eulerscheZahl: you mean from the very hard section?
Gorbit99: I think I've found the easiest very hard ones, but I wasn't successful with hard
eulerscheZahl: for me it was the last resistance
aCat: before we spoke euler I really planned to do this the valid way ;p
eulerscheZahl: :D
aCat: ouh hard - I don;t remember
Gorbit99: for me very hard was easily music sheets and light up the box or whatever it is
Gorbit99: I have 2 very hard puzzles achievement, but not the 2 hard one
eulerscheZahl: for the community puzzles I lost track which is in which section
eulerscheZahl: roller coaster wasn't that hard
Gorbit99: I guess most hard and very hard are about a simple problem that needs optimizing
dbdr: eulerscheZahl, in clojure? ;)
eulerscheZahl: or just put in the wrong category
eulerscheZahl: what in clojure?
dbdr: roller coster
dbdr: there's an achievement
eulerscheZahl: that one was a nightmare
dbdr: :D
eulerscheZahl: zeno helped me as my solution was too slow
Gorbit99: is it like bash riders?
dbdr: yes
Gorbit99: just straight up painful?
dbdr: clojure is fine
eulerscheZahl: bash riders?
dbdr: euler is just allergic to it
Gorbit99: horse racing duels in bash
eulerscheZahl: oh. I did that in python
eulerscheZahl: python3 -c "code here"
Gorbit99: ...oh
aCat: xd
dbdr: :no_mouth:
Gorbit99: cheater
Gorbit99: that's genius
aCat: you did this with ALL bash puzzles :>?
eulerscheZahl: someone did that in a bot contest and claimed it was pure bash once :D
aCat: haha
eulerscheZahl: of course aCat
dbdr: my vinidium is real bash :)
aCat: bashmaster
jacek: bashing keyboard until it works
Gorbit99: does anyone use bash in actual competitions?
DomiKo: now i know how to get top1 language
dbdr: they check it
DomiKo: :(
dbdr: in contests
DomiKo: :sadface:
eulerscheZahl: they only cared because back then first in a language was a tshirt winner
eulerscheZahl: they don't have that anymore. neither top50
Gorbit99: It'd be nice to get a tshirt, but I guess it's less effort to just go online and make it yourself in a tshirt creator
dbdr: but that's not the same
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/xmash-rush-cc07-feedback-strategies/74346/23
Gorbit99: I knew making 10 bug feedback posts was worth it
eulerscheZahl: (scroll to the bottom of that post)
DomiKo: tshirt is worth a lot more than money
Gorbit99: just got my 10th like
Gorbit99: what are we looking for eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: the baby picture
eulerscheZahl: wearing a CG tshirt
Gorbit99: aww
eulerscheZahl: self-made as CG doesn't ship baby sizes
dbdr: maybe if you wash it at 90C?
Astrobytes: And the baby did all the coding anyway :P
dbdr: or cook it with your spoon
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: and then eat it with your spoon?
dbdr: there is no spoon
eulerscheZahl: now tourist is on track it seems
eulerscheZahl: didn't submit in the first 2h, got 2 problems now
dbdr: hm, wonder why someone would have a gree up arrow after drawing against someone lower
eulerscheZahl: more confidence
eulerscheZahl: is that sigma?
LonelyTree: https://www.codingame.com/replay/480915392
Gorbit99: poor bot
dbdr: yes, probably
eulerscheZahl: a 100m marathon
https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52944bbc0f5f9a5cf19c728a514964c97d19
aCat: Done !
eulerscheZahl: nice
aCat: 88 lines in Ruby :P
aCat: level 35 ;-)
eulerscheZahl: oh, i thought the same game
aCat: catching euler slowly but surely ^^'
Washier: gg
Gorbit99: my kinda marathon
aCat: PoTW
eulerscheZahl: now just switch the order of the digits
aCat: do some work now
aCat: SmaeGame later I'll let you know
eulerscheZahl: https://codingcompetitions.withgoogle.com/codejam/round/000000000019ff31
and he submitted 3 at once :D
aCat: ok, this got me unlock full questline ;-)
aCat: just optimization with marslanding left
eulerscheZahl: that will require some golfing as well
eulerscheZahl: top2% on the golf leaderboard
Washier: you've got ruby aCat, you can doo eet
eulerscheZahl: start with "don't panic" in 200 chars
aCat: :crying_cat_face:
Washier: i see it can be done in 200 chars even in C#, how!?! must find out
Gorbit99: last I remember, it wasn't a complicated challenge
Gorbit99: stupid me did it in C++ tho
ush189: anyone knows how to debug in php?
ush189: echo is for the output
DomiKo: ohh yes 100 achievements
DomiKo: now only 2% code golf....
Gorbit99: don't panic is almost below 200
Gorbit99: got it
eulerscheZahl: Washier system calls :(
Gorbit99: ?
Washier: :(
Gorbit99: ah
Gorbit99: any way to get rid of stdout sync?
Galaxy_001: std::ios_base::sync_with_stdio(false); used in c++. It doesn't sync with c.
Gorbit99: I'm using ruby
SplitCode: Does someone have a math page on how to calculate steps in an angle given two points? (the thor practice example)
Gorbit99: steps?
SplitCode: Yes, like starting at (0,0) going to (10,10), the next (logical) step would be (1,1)
Gorbit99: eulerscheZahl are the shortest solutions for don't panic abusing the validators or are they legit?
Gorbit99: you're a bit overthinking it SplitCode
Astrobytes: legit, but system calls etc sometimes
Gorbit99: I guess then because ruby is shortest, that's legit
Gorbit99: geezus
Colorhacker: I've got a question
Colorhacker: In code royale, there are mines, how much does it take to upgrade or build them?
Colorhacker: It's not written in the description
Colorhacker: I tried to build but sometimes i couldn't?
Colorhacker: It didnt take money when built but i still couldnt build sometimes
Colorhacker: No one's here?
Colorhacker: The chat has never been this quiet
Sumitr: F
Colorhacker: ?
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know what others do at golfing.
i', heavily abusing the testcase setup for Thor
eulerscheZahl: my other solutions should be working fine in general
illogicalism: are there bots here?
eulerscheZahl: yes: AutomatonNN Automaton2000
Automaton2000: or at least trying to
AutomatonNN: wow code a la mode
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl is a bot too
Colorhacker: hey!
Colorhacker: they actually are bots?
Zenoscave: except eulerscheZahl I was joking
Colorhacker: I know
Colorhacker: but i didnt knew automatoNN was a bot
Colorhacker: are they official codingame chatbots?
Zenoscave: nope
Colorhacker: ok
Uljahn: semi-official
Zenoscave: good way to put it
Zenoscave: happy caturday
Uljahn: pewpew
Zenoscave: and a pewpew to you
Astrobytes: pew
Colorhacker: automaton2000 can you say something
Automaton2000: i think i read something about that
Colorhacker: Hey nice xD
Colorhacker: automaton2000 what is the universe
Automaton2000: sounds like a good idea.
Colorhacker: xDDDD
pillarglass: LOSER
pillarglass: ELIYAH
pillarglass: YALL GONNA NEED SOME LUCK LMAO
pillarglass: LOOCK AT U
pillarglass: LOOK*
Astrobytes: Calm down laddie, you clashing?
eulerscheZahl: fair warning pillarglass
pillarglass: im sorry
pillarglass: yes it was all in good fun
pillarglass: i will not do again
Astrobytes: no worries :)
pillarglass: these clashes get competitive :triumph:
Astrobytes: yeah all good, is the clash chat not working again?
pillarglass: seems to be that way
pillarglass: not sure
Astrobytes: do you get a clash specific channel open when you clash? Or does it close or...
eulerscheZahl: hm, something went wrong :thinking:
https://imgur.com/a/bvN8qUE
pillarglass: closes once im in
Astrobytes: OK that's a known issue pillarglass, sorry about that. Devs know about it, not sure when it's gonna be fixed. There's a #clash channel if that's any use
Astrobytes: wtf eulerscheZahl
Memo12334: huh
eulerscheZahl: I try to include three.js
Memo12334: what is that challenge
eulerscheZahl: just for the lols, I don't have a game idea that needs it
Astrobytes: Nice. Interesting result
eulerscheZahl: when I upload it to CG, I only see the selection menu in the viewer
eulerscheZahl: no teapot at all
Astrobytes: Any idea why?
eulerscheZahl: i'm not sure how the pixi part is even added yet
eulerscheZahl: so I try to imitate that then
jacek: no darkhorse64?
eulerscheZahl: nope :(
AntiSquid: wow a 3D CG game to play at tea time hours :o
eulerscheZahl: no, just the controls.
https://www.codingame.com/demo/849340c736362b181cdae18a8345462538aa01
eulerscheZahl: hm, pixi is deeply nested :/
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1877e98e-4226-4868-b5f0-66a581ffdb43
eulerscheZahl: in Drawer.js
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know if i can replace that
eulerscheZahl: but maybe have pixi in parallel without actually using it
darkhorse64: Trying to enlighten me ?
Astrobytes: lol
JBM: Parallel ok, but I want 0% could usage
JBM: *cpu damn autocorrect
MSmits: heyy darkhorse64, I started your game finally. Rank 50 so far
darkhorse64: from your ranking, I guess you have not yet an eval
MSmits: i do, a simple one
MSmits: just counting pieces gave me rank 50, i added mobility and empty columns, but that didnt do much
MSmits: the parameters for them might be too big or too small though, no way to know without trying to fit
MSmits: trying to do the connection thing now, giving points for pawns connected horizontally or vertically
MSmits: should also give points for how advanced pawns are I guess
Scarfield: thats actually all i did for my eval, row*row xD
MSmits: hmm how so?
MSmits: whats row*row?
Scarfield: rows away from "home"
MSmits: oh you gave quadratic points for distance from home/
Scarfield: yea
MSmits: makes sense
Scarfield: super simple, and havent gotten back to it yet
darkhorse64: I have a piece value depending on its location with a bonus if the piece is safe
MSmits: I try to put a whole bunch of evals in and trim the stuff that doesnt help
MSmits: I removed 2 features from my othello bot during fitting
MSmits: makes sense too darkhorse64
darkhorse64: I have not invested much time in my bot. My ept is depth 4 and I select winning moves in my rollouts. May be I should look into race patterns
darkhorse64: Lots of players = lots of CP in this multi
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I will look into race patterns for sure, hope i can work it out
Laminator: Are you kidding e
Laminator: me
darkhorse64: I skimmed through the "Solving" paper yesterday. Looks like a promising way to prune moves although decoy moves are important
darkhorse64: why kidding ?
Laminator: just lost 1st place in fastest clash with the same time lol sorry I have no other way to communicate with my clashers
MSmits: yeah I will try to do something like in that paper
MSmits: the difference might be in the floating point variable for the time, but rounded to show the same time
MSmits: if you lost, you can be sure you were just slightly slower
Allis: Are ties literally impossible?
MSmits: or your internet connection was slightly slower when you were submitting it, though the other guy might have had a slower connection also and he actually won by 2 seconds :P
MSmits: Allis probably they are yes
MSmits: it doesn't really matter though, if the result is so close that you are in the error margin, then you just don't know who won.
MSmits: with enough games ending like this, you'll win half the time
MSmits: = fair
MSmits: no point stressing over that one result or what actually led to you narrowly losing
MSmits: whatever it is, it will help as much as hurt
Laminator: It just makes me wonder if I could've gone any faster
darkhorse64: use more fingers to type ?
Allis: If you hadn't run the tests, you would've won. :P
Laminator: exactly!
Laminator: sometimes those tests take a while too
Laminator: but sometimes I fail on the very last test so it's worth it.
aCat: eulerscheZahl I updated SameGame
aCat: OK - I updated the puzzle.
Important changes:
- now you can make your action turn-by-turn (-1 for empty tile)
- no more warnings - selecting illegal action causes hard error.
Laminator: wow, my fastest solve yet, and you were twice as fast. wtf lol
Allis: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Allis: The really easy ones just come down to reading and typing quickly.
Laminator: Well, I had the fastest PYTHON solve. Leggo!
Allis: Counts for somethin'. :P
Laminator: I've seen what you Ruby people get away with for shortest mode. Not fair.
MSmits: note to self: It does not help if you do a 64 bitboard and only use 32 bit popcounts
MSmits: that little difference between __builtin_popcount and __builtin_popcountl
MSmits: looks like top 20 :)
LIONSxLEADER: how does scoring work for ranking clash of code ?
LIONSxLEADER: globally
LIONSxLEADER: participation trophys weighed? with a completion% and time taken modifiers?
Allis: @LIONSxLEADER It's based entirely on whom you beat/lose to.
Allis: I don't know whether it's based on the sum or the average of your competition, but it helps to think of it like an Elo rating in chess.
Allis: CodinGame technically uses TrueSkill, but it's very similar to Elo.
Olusola: :smiley:
No_Name_26: :L
No_Name_26: :L
HoangMrPhuc: :V
