lord8266: is there a source size limit to ocean of code?
struct: 100k chars
lord8266: ok peace
lord8266: and is the response time same for all languages, im already hitting ~7ms on python for almost nothing
struct: same time for all languages yes
lord8266: damn thats bad
struct: Do you start the timer after reading first input?
lord8266: yeah after every update, i made my own environment in python and stuff..
lord8266: sorry for being stupid, how do you run this locally
Nixerrr: Depends what you want to do lord8266
Nixerrr: You can clone the repo and run it locally. Here is the SDK's documentation: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/introduction
Nixerrr: Or you could recreate the simulation from scratch
lord8266: thank you
dbdr: Nixerrr thanks for taking the early shift! ;)
eulerscheZahl: yes i don't see how the documentation helps to just run it
eulerscheZahl: i answered him on discord, where he asked the same
eulerscheZahl: by linking to that question on the forum
Nixerrr: tbf I haven't checked if the documentation gives instructions to running it. Just assumed it did
Nixerrr: It was a false assumption it seems
eulerscheZahl: you deserve a not helpful answer for asking the same questions at different places
FlyingMoustache_e541: hi
FlyingMoustache_e541: can you help me
Nixerrr: Depends
Nixerrr: If you want money, no
Nixerrr: If you need coding advice, maybe
eulerscheZahl: yes, you can help me
my opponent tracking needs improvement
eulerscheZahl: thanks for your offer
Nixerrr: :P
lord8266: im sorry, im really new around here
eulerscheZahl: check discord, i linked a helping answer there
eulerscheZahl: but it's not trivial if you don't know java and maven
lord8266: ok so I ran mvn clean install and it installed dependencies
lord8266: then how do you run main.java
lord8266: im on ubuntu 18.04
lord8266: running it with java src/test/java/Main.java throws some compilation error
eulerscheZahl: i never tried from command line, i always used eclipse or intelliJ
lord8266: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ea756345-9719-4ccb-a949-c80730967ff9
yfprojects: Where do you run mvn on Windows?
yfprojects: @eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: import somehow failed
Nixerrr: Looks like some dependency issue
eulerscheZahl: don't ask me windows questions, i'm on linux myself
Nixerrr: lord8266 Why do you want to run it locally btw?
lord8266: java --version
openjdk 11.0.6 2020-01-14
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 11.0.6+10-post-Ubuntu-1ubuntu118.04.1)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 11.0.6+10-post-Ubuntu-1ubuntu118.04.1, mixed mode, sharing)
lord8266: I thought I could use little grid search for parameters to see where the opponent will be using given directions
Uljahn: good question Nixerrr
eulerscheZahl: not a java problem, you somehow failed to import the codingame SDK from maven
Tiramon: so classpath is not set properly
Nixerrr: lord8266 I don't think you need to run the game locally to add enemy detection to your bot
lord8266: so i have for each tile a surrounding value which tells how many islands or corners are obstructing it
lord8266: not obstrucing, i meant like around it
lord8266: so then given enemy moves i can place those moves on top of each square assuming the player was there
Nixerrr: One thing you could do is keep track of the cells the enemy could occupy and keep reducing that list of cells
Nixerrr: 1st round - it's every cell that isn't an island
Nixerrr: Then enemy moves north
lord8266: exactly im doing something like that
Nixerrr: Okie
Nixerrr: Also, you'll hit computational boundaries sooner with Python than with other languages
lord8266: so just find the right values for surrounding if it is an island or corner to see why the player turned and grid search for which values (like 0.5,1,2..) i can find at the earliest which sector the opponent is in
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/uXHgaVh
you don't need a local copy of the referee for this
dbdr: pub const INITIAL_COOLDOWN: u8 = 3;
dbdr: what was I thinking?
eulerscheZahl: saving bits by using u8 i guess
dbdr: yes. the issue is there is no such constant
dbdr: it depends on the power
eulerscheZahl: oh, that's a combined const for all of them...
eulerscheZahl: you wrote that in wood2 maybe
before knowing about the rest
dbdr: yes, must be it
dbdr: pub const POWERS: [Charge; POWERS_COUNT] = [Mine, Silence, Sonar, Torpedo];
pub const INITIAL_COOLDOWN: [u8; POWERS_COUNT] = [3, 6, 4, 3];
dbdr: better
sudomakeinstall2: how to know if i got a timeout?
eulerscheZahl: you mean for all games of your last submit combined?
eulerscheZahl: or a single game?
sudomakeinstall2: no just the on i am testing in ide
eulerscheZahl: what does it say at the last frame?
Uljahn: Nixerrr: this game is very numpy friendly btw
sudomakeinstall2: -1 life
eulerscheZahl: there are red and orange rectangles on the progress bar below the replay
eulerscheZahl: hover over the last one
sudomakeinstall2: oh yeah i saw it
sudomakeinstall2: thanks
eulerscheZahl: and check the output area below the replay for error messages
eulerscheZahl: you might see a line number where it crashed
sudomakeinstall2: thanks it was the timeout.
Nixerrr: Uljahn Good to know
dbdr: it's a bit painful to submit when I'm #6 :D
AntiSquid: ^ just remember there's a full month ahead and things change a lot :p
dbdr: sure, it's not rational :)
dbdr: there, I as brave
dbdr: *was
AntiSquid: #4
AntiSquid: are you learning rust or are you using it daily?
dbdr: with 20% timeouts
dbdr: I don't use it for my job
dbdr: only for CG and hobby programming
AntiSquid: why rust over c++ ?
dbdr: much cleaner
dbdr: no segfaults
dbdr: same perf
dbdr: oOo
egaetan: Hello dbdr oOO
dbdr: you still beat me 2-0 so far :)
egaetan: 2/0 is not significant enough
dbdr: I know
thibpat: hi all, I'm going to stream my Ocean of Code progress on twitch.tv/thibpat, feel free to come say hello :wave:
thibpat: Sorry I mean https://twitch.tv/thibpat
dbdr: cool. did you announce on #streaming on discord thibpat?
egaetan: Aaah my lost game vs dbdr is a timeout :(
thibpat: I didn't dbdr, good point!
egaetan: dont feed mchi12
dbdr: is it a silly timeout egaetan?
dbdr: or too many paths?
dbdr: ok
dbdr: :D
egaetan: a silly first turn, class loading from java
dbdr: ah
dbdr: good for you, should be fixable no?
egaetan: if i only know what exactly...
dbdr: what's your output?
dbdr: real victory this time :)
egaetan: nothing... everything is fine, debug fine too, except timeout fro mplateforem
egaetan: gg dbdr
dbdr: merci!
dbdr: nothing on stderr?
egaetan: nothing
dbdr: :(
dbdr: I seem firmly in top 3 now, big gap with #4
dbdr: egaetan do you have a print early on that does not show?
dbdr: oh I think I know. it might very well be the issue I talked about on the forum
egaetan: dbdr i hate you
dbdr: will you love me if I fix your timeouts? ;)
egaetan: Ahh maybe
dbdr: :)
dbdr: only turn 1 is 1s
dbdr: you need to exercise your main code
dbdr: to load the classes and start the JIT
dbdr: otherwise they will load on turn 2, when you only have 50ms
egaetan: ok so far i did that, i should have miss one
egaetan: i did warmup streams and optionals
dbdr: maybe run them several times
dbdr: the JIT does not quick in if a method is called only once
egaetan: it more a class loading issue that a jit i think
dbdr: ouch, streams are hard for performance
dbdr: and a lot of classes to load...
egaetan: yes, but easy to write
dbdr: I had such issues when I used Java
dbdr: my solution was to avoid streams
dbdr: sure
dbdr: I use them in rust, zero cost abstraction and all
MadKnight: a better solution was to avoid java
dbdr: I'm sure they get reasonably fast in Java, but startup is a killer
AntiSquid: new #1
mchl12: yeah, thanks for feeding guys
dbdr: np :D
AntiSquid: lol
mchl12: <3
dbdr: within the margin of error though
dbdr: egaetan will wreck us when he fixes his timeouts
dbdr: self.enemy.retain(|e| sector(e.pos) == surface_sector);
dbdr: it's quick nice way to filter a vector
MadKnight: dbdr discovers filter function
dbdr: :)
Nixerrr: Looks succinct
dbdr: and fast at the same time
dbdr: that's the great part
egaetan: gg mchl12
dbdr: well, only in release more. without optimizations it must be horrible
dbdr: egaetan by the way, there are ways to monitor which classes load
dbdr: but that might not help, you already know the problem I think
dbdr: wait, you timeout on turn 2 right?
egaetan: the first turn @ 50ms
dbdr: yeah
dbdr: that means classes were loaded, if you warmed up correctly
dbdr: so it might be the JIT
egaetan: i dont know, jit should not impact when i run in 1 ms
dbdr: there are several passes of compilation
dbdr: first few executions are interpreted, to collect stats
dbdr: then a quick compilation
dbdr: then if enough calls, recompiled with optimizations
Nangini: dbdr rust is nice compact powerful but sometimes it can be tricky
Nangini: with the ownership thing
Nangini: when you have to use Box or Arc etc...
dbdr: yes, you need to get used to it
dbdr: I almost never do use those
eulerscheZahl: ownerSHIP
dbdr: you need to design your data model differently
eulerscheZahl: sorry, couldn't resist
dbdr: nice one eulerscheZahl
dbdr: :D
dbdr: Nangini what other language do you use most?
Nangini: that's why i finally gave up on rust
Nangini: and use Go
Nangini: i cant wrap my head properly around graph in rust
dbdr: right, in Go you have a GC so you just let it do it work
Nangini: but the experience of learning/using rust was really worthwhile
Nangini: and an other thing at the time on CG rust was not in release mode
dbdr: yes, many ppl say that, it's useful even for programming in other languages
Nangini: so the perf were not up to what the language can really achieve :)
dbdr: for graphs, the simple solution is to use a vector and to model links as indexes
dbdr: it's a bit weird at first but easier I think
dbdr: and it's also good for cache locality
dbdr: better than references all over the heap
dbdr: so good for performance
Nangini: i might give rust an other try but not on CG
Nangini: perhaps looking at servo or sth...
dbdr: sure. it would be nice if CG did at least -O1 in debug mode
dbdr: I had a 40x slowdown the other day
dbdr: between debug and release
Nangini: of course!!
Nangini: sometimes you can't run properly a code in the ide which will perform great in the arena...
YannT: it climbed to #10 while sleeping
dbdr: in that case, I replace a for .. by a while and got 30x speedup :D
YannT: who's a goood submarine
YannT: it's youuu
Nangini: dbdr nice trick ;D
dbdr: Nangini otherwise the workaound is to compile locally and to send the binary to CG
dbdr: but a bit of a pain
dbdr: need to get the binary small enough
pb4: it's made easier with Agade's send tool
pb4: but it's forbidden during contests
pb4: also beware, in some cases I NEVER even approached the performance of code on CG + pragma with send-tool
pb4: Notably on vindinium, I still don't understand why but I lost 75% performance
MadKnight: it probably compiles for any cpu so it doesn't use fancy things or maybe it compiles for x86, pb4
dbdr: pb4 I don't think it's forbidden in the IDE
dbdr: you can submit the source
YannT: it is, there's a no obfuscation rule
YannT: I think
dbdr: sure, for what you submit
dbdr: what does it matter what runs in the IDE?
dbdr: it affects nobody else
YannT: oh yeah for IDE probably no one cares :)
AntiSquid: 2 weeks of bronze?
Tunga: Newbie here, are you all here talking about bot contests? And what is the best performance language for bot, C++? How is python performance ?
735487: AntiSquid: 1 week as I see
emh: I broke everything with big refactor.. now don't know where to begin
AntiSquid: oh lol ... i somehow read it as 3rd of april, didn't wake up properly
Uljahn: Tunga: python is worst unless you know how to vectorize with numpy
AntiSquid: unless you're a cat with a cat avatar
735487: emh: start from rollback of backup :)
AntiSquid: history tab yeah
emh: I have git history as well... but hate going back
Tunga: Uljahn Thanks!
dbdr: emh :(
dbdr: I know the feeling
dbdr: small refectorings rule, but not always possible
emh: dbdr thx for sympathy
dbdr: when you do a big refactoring, it's ok to expect some debbugging afterwards, no?
emh: yes but could have doner smaller steps
emh: got too eager
dbdr: yeah, live and learn
dbdr: sometimes I has two implementations of the same thing, just to assert they find the same result
dbdr: sometimes I was less clever
dbdr: I mean keeping the old implementation until the new one is proven
pb4: Can you trigger several mines in the same turn ?
dbdr: "you can use each type of action only once per turn"
pb4: thanks
accorp: how about with torpedo? :)
YannT: when doing big refactors, I try to find any reproducible battle (in the IDE), and check that the frames are the same after refactor
dbdr: that's a good idea
egaetan: emh where are you ?
emh: egaetan down and broken
emh: but at least I got my tea order today
emh: gunpowder green tea
emh: jasmine tea
emh: christmas tea
emh: licorice tea
egaetan: :)
egaetan: dbdr that's not nice
dbdr: at least I don't feed mchl12 as much
dbdr: but yeah, sorry
YannT: you knocked me down 5 slots dbdr please never push again :p
dbdr: sure thing :D
dbdr: ending the contest right now would fulfill your request
dbdr: I would not mind
YannT: okay for me too, I'm in top20 so I get the tshirt
dbdr: I only beat you twice
dbdr: pretty close TS scores
YannT: we went 8-1 in my last battles
dbdr: probably from my previous push then
dbdr: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/ocean-of-code/YannT
dbdr: 24%
AntiSquid: what sort of random magic are you using mchl12 ?
emh: yay found a bug. but there are more
dbdr: emh I love the licorice taste!
dbdr: seems like you are set for the month tea-wise :D
emh: dbdr me too. brewing first cup now. yes 500g or so hehe
dbdr: clever in these times
dbdr: what are you changing?
emh: just "compressing" code
emh: removing redundancies
emh: and some small changes I run into
emh: when I see it
dbdr: oh, then indeed small steps would have been better
dbdr: I thought you changed the approach
emh: nah
dbdr: still you will sort it out
emh: hope so
emh: and btw it's licorice chilli hehe
emh: I put a lot of tea in it. it's black now hehe
dbdr: :)
dbdr: mchl12 beats dbdr
dbdr beats egaetan
egaetan beats mchl12
dbdr: hm
egaetan: hum hum
egaetan: if only mchl12 resubmit i will be #1 again ?
dbdr: possibly
egaetan: and you will be third ?
dbdr: though sample is small, who knos...
dbdr: knows
egaetan: if i resubmit you will be first ?
dbdr: only one way to know for sure... ;)
dbdr: you have nothing to lose
dbdr: Schnee is far
egaetan: let's try
dbdr: :popcorn:
dbdr: you lose against bottom lb, probably timeouts
dbdr: that must hurt
egaetan: ouch in first 10 , 5 timeouts
wlesavo: probably its the silence spamers
egaetan: only loose are timeouts
egaetan: wlesavo no, something weird with first turn
emh: found another bug. more remains
YannT: egaetan; maybe you should preload .split() too ;)
wlesavo: egaetan maybe its related to that 20ms discussion?
emh: and another. looking better now
dbdr: great
egaetan: dbdr nothing to loose ? hmmm !
dbdr: :D
dbdr: looking better
egaetan: only 3 timeouts in first 20
egaetan: that's awfull
YannT: how do you timeout anyway do you have a sim already?
egaetan: no something with first turn @50ms
dbdr: strange that kotlin does not have the issue
YannT: I did have the issue
dbdr: :phew:
YannT: classloading on split on the first turn
dbdr: lol
YannT: first call of split cost 20ms for whatever classloading reason, so I put a junk one in the initial 1s thing to fix it
YannT: fun main(args: Array<String>) {
"NA".split("|") // Classloading du split => 30ms
egaetan: dsl YannT i didn't timeout vs you
YannT: :(
YannT: maybe you could put a sleep in to maximize timeouts?
dbdr: Illedan, would there be a way to see the last frame?
dbdr: now it's hidden by the end screen
egaetan: 27 timeouts on 93 game => #22
Illedan: Yeah, I know. I will rewrite this code into actually doing 1 command at a time. And add an empty frame at the end
Illedan: But it might be a few days
Illedan: You know, life, my own bot and all that
Illedan: And yeah, work
dbdr: sure
dbdr: there is time :)
YannT: top20 gets shuffled everytime someone in it pushes
yfprojects: Is threading a thing in CG?
Scarfield: only one core is available
jrke: anyone of you can hack any website
Uljahn: Automaton2000: can you hack google.com?
Automaton2000: but i like the idea of a good one
MSmits: holy :poop: They just cancelled my exams
Illedan: Damn, more time for OOC?
MSmits: no, it's after OCC
MSmits: OOC
Illedan: Let your class know they are graded based on OOC?
Illedan: :D
MSmits: during the other planned contest
MSmits: I mean my physics class btw, my CS class has no exams
MSmits: so they will get their diploma based on tests they did in our school as opposed to national exams
MSmits: it's really weird. Never happened before
MSmits: what if they screwed up our tests? They normally would get a (long) shot at the national exams to compensate. That's now gone
YannT: I'm sure they canceled CS exams during the dark plague too
dbdr: yeah, priorities
MSmits: it may cost some students a year of studying though
MSmits: some might not be happy about this
Scarfield: just have them do the exams from home, and tell them not to cheat
MSmits: hah we can't even do that.
MSmits: minister of education decided they're cancelled so they're cancelled
YannT: can't give some home assignement anbd then on the school level decide to give it a bigger coefficient than the other school tests
YannT: that would be like an exam
ThunderbirdOne: Cpt. Levine just torped himself... what a nerf
MSmits: YannT, we can, but that would be slippery slope. Would lead to some obviously unqualified students to get their diploma
egaetan: dbdr only 10 timeouts for 92 games
ThunderbirdOne: give students online exams with access to internet... yeah... sounds like a good idea
YannT: for CS you can give some assignement that is more practice than theoratical no?
MSmits: it's physics, not CS
YannT: one where having google doesn't matter
YannT: ahhh
YannT: yeah that's harder
MSmits: also, it's not just, me it's all my colleagues as well. French, German, chemistry, biology etc.
YannT: have them screw around witrh pendulums at home ahah
MSmits: lol..
ThunderbirdOne: i have a friend whos doing physics in uni... all labs cancelled... so yeah :P
tonowak: Illedan it seems that I don't see any of my MSG on the visualizer on the IDE, nor the text saying what actions a player did. It isn't normal, right?
dbdr: egaetan now you pull me down
egaetan: it'seems i correct my timeouts
egaetan: for sure i pull you down i want to climb upper
dbdr: whatever for? ;)
dbdr: mchl12 just never submit again and you'll be fine ;)
dbdr: egaetan what did you do against your timeouts?
egaetan: lot of small things
egaetan: i think the biggest win was a stream on a array from a split
Illedan: tonowak, can you give a replay?
mchl12: I will probably submit once someone takes my place, or when I get too impatient haha
YannT: egaetan: ah so it WAS the split for you too :D
tonowak: Illedan all of the games don't show any text
dbdr: split probably pulls lots of unicode data
tonowak: and btw, I'm on another laptop than normally
YannT: isn't the bottom of the viewer just cut off? :p
tonowak: but there is also some text above the bottom, if I recall correctly?
tonowak: i do not see any letter
egaetan: YannT yes it seems to be related
Illedan: Wierd
Illedan: I can't see your messages in the viewer either
Illedan: do you use some wierd |? :P
YannT: egaetan: would make sense, if Kotlin has a classloading thing with split, Java would have it too
tonowak: no, my submitted code doesn't use any MSG
tonowak: https://imgur.com/a/XseX9d5
tonowak: but my in the IDE does
YannT: oh yeah you've got no text at all
tonowak: yeah, zero letters :P
YannT: missing font or CSS style?
tonowak: probably yes
Illedan: Inspect it
Illedan: and check if you get any errors
Illedan: we are using Arial
Illedan: should be fine..
YannT: not on a stock linux install maybe
YannT: no ttf by default
tonowak: I'm on Arch linux
tonowak: that's possible
dbdr: another font should always be used as a fallback
YannT: do you have that ttf package thing on it?
tonowak: Arial? I would have to check
YannT: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts
YannT: maybe
dbdr: "I don't have the exact font specified? let's ignore the text"I don't think that's how it works
YannT: shouldn't but who knows
dbdr: yeah, can be a bug
dbdr: display driver possibly
tonowak: on my main PC I have Arch and I remember that I installed microsoft fonts. Here probably I didn't
tonowak: I just installed the ms fonts. Still the same problem
YannT: :(
YannT: did you do
YannT: fc-cache -f
YannT: to regenerate the cache?
tonowak: shouldn't it do it automatically?
YannT: can't hurt :)
tonowak: still
dbdr: start your browser from the terminal
dbdr: see if there is any error message
dbdr: you probably need to quit it first
tonowak: hmm on chromium it is working
dbdr: otherwise it does not really start
tonowak: I'm using Brave
dbdr: report a bug on brave :)
YannT: oh, probably it's some CSS compatibility thing with that browser then
tonowak: brave is chromium-based :(
tonowak: I'll first update the system and brave
YannT: maybe it is insufficiently chromium based :p
tonowak: yeah but remember that on my second device with Arch and Brave it is working
dbdr: software is not correct when it sometimes works, but when it always works ;)
emh: Illedan what happened? broke it?
Illedan: hm?
Illedan: Broke what?
emh: your placement. your bot
AntiSquid: emh's heart :p
Illedan: Yeah, it's only doing silence and move
Illedan: Working on a new bot.
Illedan: And I kept losing focus of being too high ranked
Illedan: As this is a Marathon, not a Sprint :P
emh: ah hehe
Illedan: Should be done with something tomorrow or thursday
Illedan: Want to try and break the Mine strategy. Else we have to consider nerfing something
Illedan: +1 charge makes it 33% worse. Which might be a good idea. But I don't know yet
AntiSquid: is last change happening this friday?
Illedan: I was thinking yesterday, but cg says on friday. So I'll follow CG and try to find some good balance point if needed.
mchl12: Giving mines +1 cd also makes hybrid strategies weaker, because you cannot place 'some' mines and still do other things.
AntiSquid: even if it's just about adjusting heuristics, i think there should be a clear deadline somewhere
AntiSquid: where no more changes are made until after contest
Illedan: Was just one of the idea mchl12 :) Have to test it properly.
Illedan: Games is fun anyway at the moment, don't want to break that
mchl12: Just wanted to share my thoughts, but I agree that the games are fun currently.
mchl12: I think no matter what you do, sometime there will be an optimal strategy.
YannT: I'm #8 with literally nothing coded regarding mines
YannT: not sure it's actually *that* powerful in the end
YannT: (and I still have some improvements possible without even touching mines still)
Illedan: Of course mchl12, but mines feels a little too random sometimes :)
TomerBG: Hey guys, can split your code to files and submit it?
Illedan: Yeah, but you have to merge them before you submit
Illedan: What lang?
TomerBG: cpp
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/quom-split-your-code-base-into-multiple-files/79324
If that doesn't work. Try to search the forum for other options :)
TomerBG: thanks
AntiSquid: italy 6k wtf
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid at least it's going down in new cases
AntiSquid: how's your bot Zarbas ?
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: there is a guy called zarbas here?
ZarthaxX: evolving i guess, how is yours squido
AntiSquid: i barely managed to get rid of some persistent bugs regarding enemy position
AntiSquid: don't have a real bot strategy in place yet
ZarthaxX: i see, plenty of time anyway
AntiSquid: and plenty of headaches
ZarthaxX: lol :rofl:
ZarthaxX: annoying game for you
AntiSquid: very much so
AntiSquid: i got an idea but it will take a while to write and then to sort out any possible bugs or issues
ZarthaxX: perfect contest for that then :)
mchl12: egaetan on the rise :O
egaetan: i hope
egaetan: maybe not enough
AntiSquid: to think that might not even be the gold boss :(
mchl12: Did you fix the timeout egaetan?
egaetan: it seems, will check at the end of the submit
Azkellas: Yeah, how do you evaluate your current bot compared to usual leagues? Would you say you have a top (10-day) gold bot? Lower / higher?
mchl12: I honestly have no clue, this is the first contest where I get out of wood.
mchl12: Looks like it was enough egaetan, wp
egaetan: ouufff
egaetan: was close
egaetan: mchl12 your turn to broke the leaderboard
mchl12: I'm on it
mchl12: Your bot is already in the IDE
egaetan: no play against others !
egaetan: Azkellas, i've got a top silver bot i think
Azkellas: Only top silver? :o I expected higher
Azkellas: Thanks!
egaetan: i could not the tuesday have a top gold bot ... :p
Azkellas: It's sometimes possible, depends on the challenge
AntiSquid: probably top gold bot
YannT: too early to tell
YannT: no one's written a simulation yet AFAIK
YannT: it's usually pretty gamechanging
AntiSquid: isn't enemy prediction part of the simulation?
YannT: turn 0 prediction no, that's just a heuristic
egaetan: Now that i don't have any timeouts, i can rewrite all for simulations... :p
pb4: How does the game handle a command like MOVE N TORPEDO when I already have full charges on the torpedo ?
pb4: does it discard the whole move command as invalid ?
YannT: doesn't do anything
pb4: or just not charge anything ?
pb4: thanks
mchl12: Your move goes through and you charge nothing
AntiSquid: how important is it to keep track about what the enemy's tracking
mchl12: I'd say that it is pretty important, you will know when to silence and when you can continue chasing the opponent for example.
mchl12: You can also use it to find out how much information certain actions will reveal.
HuyCuto: hello
Scarfield: hi
HuyCuto: goodbye
Scarfield: :wave:
HuyCuto: hello
egaetan: hello
Schneewittchen: hey ho
HuyCuto: kono dio da
HuyCuto: i'm stuck man
HuyCuto: mar lander ep 1
HuyCuto: how tf can i do that
HuyCuto: i'm disabled
Uljahn: go play fortnite, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: which is what i heard
HuyCuto: no
HuyCuto: don't disappoint me
HuyCuto: i can still do it
HuyCuto: where is the solution button
Scarfield: dont exceed max velocity
HuyCuto: :ok_hand:
HuyCuto: i dont get it
ZarthaxX: just crash dude
HuyCuto: :(
HuyCuto: vertical is what
HuyCuto: :(
HuyCuto: i don't learn engrisk very well
Uljahn: rest in rip
Scarfield: there is downwards acc of 3.711 iirc, and max thrust is 4. so to reduce downwards velocity, you need thrust of 4
HuyCuto: oke
HuyCuto: thank
HuyCuto: just printf 0 4 okay ?
Scarfield: try it
Scarfield: its almost enough ;)
HuyCuto: no
HuyCuto: it's fly upward
HuyCuto: i hate you
HuyCuto: how could you lie me
ZarthaxX: scarfo he is just trollling
Scarfield: yea seems like it
HuyCuto: no
HuyCuto: this task donot have a solution button
HuyCuto: :(
HuyCuto: okay
HuyCuto: EZ
HuyCuto: i solve it
HuyCuto: haha
HuyCuto: i'm a genius
Uljahn: you're level 4 while Automaton2000 is level 14 so he is 3.5 times more genius than you :smirk:
Automaton2000: or do you make a ga for any of the other moves
HuyCuto: :(
HuyCuto: can so help me pls :(((
egaetan: Automaton2000 do you want to help ?
Automaton2000: i'm trying to solve the ascii art puzzle?
OmidSafari: hi
Uljahn: Automaton2000: 15 level soon?
Automaton2000: if you just want to get a 100% winrate
Scarfield: me too
yfprojects: Did Automaton2000 get all his Xp by its own or did he get help?
Automaton2000: i didn't think that would be great
HuyCuto: he is a bot
yfprojects: Thats why I am asking
tonowak: so if two players have trueskill a and b, what is the expected winrate for player a? Do we know it?
AntiSquid: ask magus about Automaton2000
Automaton2000: and now i have to type it
RalphMcCrackenIII: Hey, all!
PJA: is it possible that printing a lot to stderr takes a lot of time
PJA: ?
735487: PJA: sure it is
PJA: amurushkin ty
ZarthaxX: PJA there was a contest where i timeouted everytime because of lots of stderr
ZarthaxX: so try to disable them for submit
PJA: ok thx
Magus: i needed to get Automaton2000 level 3 for the chat
Automaton2000: but how can you see what i do know
Magus: so i copy/pasted my nintendo solution
Magus: but after that, Automaton2000 earned 2500xp "by itself" with the A*C contest
Automaton2000: you don't see the point of that
Scarfield: xD
Earthborne: First submition yey! How do you think I'll do Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: how did you write a bot that has a good bot for it
BenjaminUrquhart: ah yes write a bot for a bot
BenjaminUrquhart: Earthborne my first submission does nothing but move to a valid location lol
Earthborne: Haha, I didn't want to submit until I could beat the boss
PJA: in bronze against who do u run your bot in test?
mchl12: Personally I run versus egaetan. You can also consider nagrarok, he is rank 45 with only torpedoes, great to test your basics against.
PJA: ty
PJA: and btw nagrarok uses sonar now
mchl12: ah I wasn't aware, as long as he doesn't use silence I'm happy
egaetan: stop playing against me mchl12
mchl12: don't think I can cancel a submission ;)
egaetan: or i will start to use silence !
mchl12: not silence! anything but silence!
egaetan: better silence X x|MOVE x SILENCE
BenjaminUrquhart: SILENCE
BenjaminUrquhart: thanks for coming to my ted talk
BenjaminUrquhart: have a nice day
Insta-x: how to do custom match with someone?
Insta-x: owh nvm
Insta-x: i just got it
darkhorse64: Do you remember that ocean is sometimes called "the worl of silence"
darkhorse64: ?
darkhorse64: *world*
eulerscheZahl: yesterday evening i was #19
now #10 without submitting anything :thinking:
Waffle3z: resubmit and end up in 30th
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: maybe because the mine bug was fixed and my tracker is no longer broken
ZarthaxX: code fixing itself, innovative toad
darkhorse64: If you can't fix your bot, fix the referee
AntiSquid: what's wrong with the referee now?
eulerscheZahl: nothing afaik
Illedan: Only visuals.
eulerscheZahl: but fixing visuals can add logic bugs, as the past taught us
darkhorse64: What if the map was a twisted torus ?
eulerscheZahl: twisted?
eulerscheZahl: i know what a torus is. but twisted?
Scarfield: mobiius torus :thinking:
AntiSquid: twisted torus
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/187/774/large/keir-3d-infinitorus2-smooth-0-00-01-27.jpg?1542868184
eulerscheZahl: we should give an instruction how to build it with paper instead of a proper definition for sure
darkhorse64: like the one for detective pikatcha
AntiSquid: ya lol why not make the game worse than it is :/
eulerscheZahl: this image gives me headache
AntiSquid: sorry, no disrespect meant
Scarfield: i guess you mean that the map "wraps" in West-East and North-South?
Scarfield: there is a term for it, but cant recall
darkhorse64: Yes. Ofc, I was kidding although a circular map would make tracking a bit more difficult
mchl12: Are you ready for more matches egaetan?
egaetan: no
egaetan: mchl12 i said no
AntiSquid: the number 1 hair band is hard to keep
mchl12: you were too late :)
mchl12: wala is holding me back though
Swagboy: Illedan a nice visual fix would be to display the last frame when a submarine is destroyed
Swagboy: Right now you don't see the last torpedo fired when you destroy your opponent, would be much more pleasant if we did!
eulerscheZahl: he knows that already :D
pb4: Is there a way to highlight your timeouts in a submit nowadays ?
pb4: by random sampling, it seems that I lose a lot by timeout
egaetan: i developped a simple tool for that
egaetan: parsing replays one by one
pb4: shareable ? ^^
egaetan: -> mp
PJA: how do u choose where to move to? just trying to avoid been tracked?
egaetan: it may be a beginning
struct: Are the mines going to be changed or you dont know?
Illedan: Most likely not.
AntiSquid: what do you plan to change anyway
Slash-Dev: Hi, I'm wondering if there is not a (another?) mine bug. If a mine is at [2, 5] and a ship is right below the mine (South of the map so [2, 6]), and writes:
MOVE N SILENCE|TRIGGER 2 5
Should it get hit by 1 or 2?
struct: 1 i think
BenjaminUrquhart: actions are processed in order
Illedan: give a replay?
Slash-Dev: OK so 2 in that case?
Illedan: Should be 2 yeah
Slash-Dev: OK, then there is no bug :)
struct: ah rihgt 2
Slash-Dev: Thank you
struct: read wrong
Illedan: phew
struct: no more bugs :)
jrke: can anyone of you come in clash of code:slight_smile:
BenjaminUrquhart: no
BenjaminUrquhart: do sub wars
jrke: why
BenjaminUrquhart: ocean of code
struct: but I find a viewer "bug"
Slash-Dev: I thought I read somewhere that the damage was determined on the position at the beginning of the turn so I was confused.
struct: I dont think it needs fix though
struct: A bit hard to fix
BenjaminUrquhart: struct there's no such things as no bugs
jrke: i have bored working on it so i am playing clash of code
BenjaminUrquhart: smh
struct: If I use arrows to navigate, the viewer can look like this
struct: https://i.imgur.com/SLcVnLG.png
AntiSquid: clash of code discussions to only be carried out in isolation in private chat rooms during the contest jrke
BenjaminUrquhart: struct what's that seed again?
struct: seed=-430391657
BenjaminUrquhart: thanks
BenjaminUrquhart: lmao boss committed suicide
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/442010527
AntiSquid: doesn't load
BenjaminUrquhart: works for me in incognito
dbdr: works forme
dbdr: some replays fail to load, need to refresh them
jrke: thanks
AntiSquid: welcome to CG enjoy your stay jrke
jrke: yeah
Slash-Dev: Just double checking, if an opponent does a wrong command, it goes to surface but will I get a SURFACE signal or their wrong command?
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
Slash-Dev: yes SURFACE or yes wrong command?
BenjaminUrquhart: idk
AntiSquid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v15U2uaV6k
Slash-Dev: Means don't know?
AntiSquid: means ignore weird replies from weird people and ask someone else
BenjaminUrquhart: :thumbsup:
struct: you get the surface command
Slash-Dev: Thank you :)
AntiSquid: no problem, any time
Slash-Dev: And that's called a moderator :)
AntiSquid: i gave moral support
egaetan: i need some AntiSquid
mchl12: moral support won't give you those .01 elo points egaetan...
egaetan: oops spotted
AntiSquid: you used java and the gap is very narrow, so that's definitely good
AntiSquid: c++ is the fastest i mean
AntiSquid: actually you didn't give up, i am taking a break until i find the motivation to rewrite a big chunck
AntiSquid: stay positive
AntiSquid: ok forget everything i just said you dropped another 0.01, it's all over now
BenjaminUrquhart: alright my tracker is finished enough, time for me to join the fight
struct: Just add java optimization flags
BenjaminUrquhart: not sure you can add flags to the jvm at runtime
mchl12: egaetan, I found this match where you get an error message about the codingame referee? Did you know about this? https://www.codingame.com/replay/442025948
eulerscheZahl: "SILENCE 69 2 "
eulerscheZahl: ascii(69) = E
AntiSquid: direction 69 :thinking: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i am trying to make it even worse
wlesavo: am i understanding this correctly that if player kills and suicides he is gonna win? https://www.codingame.com/replay/442026278
eulerscheZahl: and east would be straight into an island here
eulerscheZahl: if both die, it's a draw
eulerscheZahl: 2 stars below the viewer confirm that
wlesavo: oh i see
wlesavo: thx
wlesavo: maybe adding a win/lose/draw message to summary would be a good idea
eulerscheZahl: you have the endscreen showing the ranking
eulerscheZahl: both 1st = it's a draw
wlesavo: oh im really stupid
wlesavo: never noticed that
eulerscheZahl: inexperienced with the CG platform
eulerscheZahl: the endscreen is a standard module, not done specifically for this contest
wlesavo: the replay is still funny though
egaetan: mchl12 SILENCE 69 2
egaetan: eulerscheZahl https://www.codingame.com/replay/442025948
eulerscheZahl: yes?
egaetan: why am i the looser , i'm not the one writing wrong output
eulerscheZahl: are you sure?
eulerscheZahl: the colors below the replay are wrong
egaetan: sure
eulerscheZahl: CG somehow fails to indicate the player for 1 player per turn games
egaetan: i write my output msg like this MOVE E MINE|MSG 6/6
wlesavo: MOVE S MINE|MSG 6/6
eulerscheZahl: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/replays/reproduce/442025948
indeed
egaetan: and i dont do move + surface
eulerscheZahl: ILLEDAN
wlesavo: lul thats a nice bug
eulerscheZahl: i better try it on discord, easier to catch him there
BenjaminUrquhart: nice enum fail
eulerscheZahl: so that's why mchl12 is so high? making the opponent lose by printing nonsense?
BenjaminUrquhart: lmao
AntiSquid: blame that on not being first! :p
egaetan: yes i think
egaetan: mchl12 you are discovered
AntiSquid: probably bribed Illedan
wlesavo: 69 is a secret code to win
Uljahn: does it summon Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: just had to say it
sacre: are there shortcuts to run individual test cases ?
eulerscheZahl: CTRL+ENTER for one
sacre: thx
eulerscheZahl: CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER for all
jacek: ALT+F4
AntiSquid: get a macro editor :p
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl here's a short reproduction https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/442030445
eulerscheZahl: thanks
eulerscheZahl: luckily i only have to forward it :imp:
struct: Strange bug
blasterpoard: eulerscheZahl I think there's a very minor mistake in the statement
blasterpoard: at the very bottom, there is a list of actions
Zenoscave: the space after silence?
Zenoscave: err surface
blasterpoard: SONAR should be SONAR x
eulerscheZahl: can't blame Illedan on that one :/
Zenoscave: dont mind me I need new glasses. I have bad vision for spaces
eulerscheZahl: will fix but not deploy before a more relevant fix is done too
thanks for reporting blasterpoard
mchl12: noo, you found my strategy
BenjaminUrquhart: smh
muy31: is there a way to be sure that your torpedo hit the enemy?
BenjaminUrquhart: no
BenjaminUrquhart: was just working through that myself lol
muy31: i'm thinking if the change in the opponent's life is 2
BenjaminUrquhart: what if they hit themselves though
muy31: exactly
muy31: so is it probably smart to not do that
AntiSquid: chance they hit themselves on same turn = ?
muy31: or to do it with a lot of conditions?
muy31: yes
AntiSquid: if they hit themselves they are nearby / tried hitting you ? if you got hit then you know?
muy31: i just want input in case someone else kind of figured it out
muy31: that's kind of makes sense
muy31: thanks
BenjaminUrquhart: or wait
BenjaminUrquhart: if they took damage and they didn't fire a torpedo
AntiSquid: if they hit themselves you know through enemy command and proximity of their torpedo to your torpedo
muy31: ok that makes even better sense
Zenoscave: Good idea
mchl12: The basic idea of what I used is: 1) make a list of all explosions on the map 2) calculate how much hp the opponent lost 3) for each possible position, find out the hp they would have lost to all the explosions on the map 4) if the hp they should have lost does not equal the acutal lost hp, they cannot be at this position
muy31: dang
muy31: i'm just gonna copy that into my notes
muy31: thank you very much
Zenoscave: thanks mchl12
muy31: maybe i'll beat you with it later ;)
mchl12: No problem, just make sure you keep track of the opponent's movements as well and adjust this algorithm accordingly
muy31: yeah
AntiSquid: if you beat him you need to get #1, nobody wants to lose to 2nd best
muy31: lol
muy31: I'm just trying
muy31: right now
egaetan: same as mchl12 but in java
accorp: no one else remembers that batman problem on CG?
mchl12: the binary search one?
Uljahn: shadow of the knight?
accorp: exactly
accorp: if the guy moves to the right, he can't be possibly on the far left
AntiSquid: but he might be just trying to cause confusion?
muy31: no accorp is exactly correct
muy31: if by far left he means leftmost
AntiSquid: if he means the edge .
muy31: yeah
muy31: or actually rightmost edge
accorp: that's right
AntiSquid: well yeah that was obvious? i mean how else did you get to bronze lol
muy31: haha
accorp: furthermore, apply and island map and info is suddenly appearing...
accorp: an*
muy31: you are still stating the obvious
accorp: newcomers can't possibly know that, right?
muy31: as soon as we read the game description, i'm sure most realized it
muy31: but maybe ou are right
muy31: about some newcomers
AntiSquid: they deserve the wood if they don't realize this
accorp: harsh
muy31: hey i'm in wood 1 right now
muy31: but im getting there
AntiSquid: just use silence in wood 1, easy promotion .
muy31: yeah
muy31: But i like to develop my AI as much as possible
AntiSquid: yeah i mean if you promoted to wood 1 then you done the tedious first part
muy31: before submitting
AntiSquid: there's more headaches to come
muy31: i guess
accorp: I think mines will be the OP solution here
AntiSquid: easier to integrate it all if you can see all commands
muy31: it's really annoying when there are newly added rules
muy31: that's exactly true
RalphMcCrackenIII: Coming from C++ to Python3, for loops in Python3 are so different.
AntiSquid: why are mines OP ?
muy31: but i have a sense of what to expect
AntiSquid: reduce enemy possible positions without immediately revealing self?
muy31: so im building towards that
AntiSquid: no trust me, it won't be enough
accorp: yeah, only what you think about
AntiSquid: stuck here at the edge of getting pushed out of top 100 because i didn't plan correctly
muy31: AntiSquid you are talking to me or accorp
AntiSquid: to you
muy31: oh
muy31: ok
AntiSquid: this should be enough for silver, won't bother changing anything until i need to promote .
dbdr: nice kovi!
kovi: thx
accorp: i'm having my bot trigger mines even if one cell is reduced and it works wonders
dbdr: more and more people in top 10
Scarfield: xD
AntiSquid: there can only be 10
pb4: dat... statement...
dbdr: AntiSquid genius
AntiSquid: highlander movie thought me
muy31: agreed
AntiSquid: taught *
accorp: dealing with silence is a bitch, isn't it?
AntiSquid: ya
AntiSquid: dull
accorp: i'm having it expand by 1 so far but if i make it to higher leagues i'll have it to 4
Illedan: pb4, nice
pb4: thanks
kovi: gratz
AntiSquid: ah that's why you figure out where i am, i don't really bother to move far away, being greedy on space i cover for surface
AntiSquid: accorp
accorp: yeah :)
Glenn: If you move and torpedo in the same turn, is the max range of the torpedo 4 tiles from your location before or after the move?
muy31: before
dbdr: after
Tiramon: the actions are handled in the order you give
Glenn: Always? Or does it matter which order the commands are issued?
muy31: you torpedo when you are on (x,y)
AntiSquid: which order are you doing the actions lol
muy31: for real!
Tiramon: so move|torpedo = after
torpedo|move = before
Glenn: I'm calculating for my opponent, so I need to handle both.
AntiSquid: yes
Glenn: Ok, thanks Tiramon, that's what I'm looking for.
Scarfield: you could silence 4 N|move N|torpedo for even more range
Glenn: Lol, good point, but I'm not quite there yet. :)
accorp: I thought you can't silence and move at the same round?
AntiSquid: you can
AntiSquid: you can use all actions at once apparently
muy31: so is the only command that can come by itself "SURFACE"?
Scarfield: only one charge though (?)
AntiSquid: one charge
AntiSquid: charge is always on the move command
muy31: yeah
muy31: ok
AntiSquid: quite sure you can still use surface with the rest, but why would you
AntiSquid: unless it's the last square
Scarfield: or a minefield ahead
muy31: so i should always check for everything?
Tiramon: surface followed by silence to obscure where you are is not the worst move
accorp: why wouldn't you silent move after surface?
muy31: every command?
Scarfield: the commands that you see your opponent has done
Glenn: You can also surface and then move which might put you in a different sector
Uljahn: muy31: MSG could be used by itself too
Glenn: if you were on the border. That'll mess up a lot of people
AntiSquid: lol Uljahn
muy31: Uljahn i meant only by itself
Uljahn: ye
muy31: like no pipe
Uljahn: ah
AntiSquid: then i just MSG enemy and stand still all day
Uljahn: i thought you mean without arguments
muy31: i understand
Scarfield: MSG MOVE N|MINE E|TORPEDO 3 6
AntiSquid: good that will show him
Scarfield: has ille gone in hiding?
AntiSquid: testing enemy prediction
Illedan: I'll submit in a few days
Illedan: Had to stop my bot code and rewrite the referee now. So that I can keep my sanity.
Scarfield: :muscle:
Illedan: Unit test inc. :relieved:
accorp: huh, you can actually silence and move
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
Illedan: Sure thing
BenjaminUrquhart: it's both a blessing and a curse
accorp: so you want to silence first
Illedan: Not always
AntiSquid: the options are endless
Illedan: Nah
Illedan: only 100 rush
Illedan: *ish
accorp: why would I move first?
Illedan: For the first action of a round :D
Illedan: move to get better torpedo range. Torpedo to damage. Surface to clear old path. Silence to get away accorp
accorp: that would be an extreme edge case
Illedan: Those are what brings you to legend :D
accorp: don't agree
BenjaminUrquhart: :eyes:
Scarfield: why would you silence first anyway, 4 + 1 = 1 + 4
JBM: i'll be streaming haskell nonsense again in like ~5'
https://www.twitch.tv/cg_jbm/
BenjaminUrquhart: screw with enemy prediction
accorp: I'm thinking that if you silence and then move, that would really eef up prediction
Scarfield: but it should be the same as move then silence
Scarfield: or i am getting too tired
accorp: not the same
muy31: i'm thinking it doesn't matter if your enemy isn't trying to predict you
muy31: but just find you
AntiSquid: depends which one gets you more move space on the silence ... so either could be better
Scarfield: thats true though
accorp: hm, instersting
blasterpoard: I've been debugging an off by one error in my bitboards for the last 2 hours... turns out I forgot that 1st line of input is width/height
accorp: but if you wanna screw prediction, like BenjaminUrquhart said...
blasterpoard: and that's why my maps were wrong
ZarthaxX: im sorry for you blasty that's sad
ZarthaxX: are you using a 256 bits variable?
blasterpoard: no, 15x uint16_t
Illedan: is that faster?
blasterpoard: maybe?
Scarfield: in open water the enemy prediction will be the same no matter the order of silence and move, but as squid said, what gives silence the most cells to reach will screw the most
blasterpoard: easier to wrok with, imho
ZarthaxX: bitset isn't comparable?
accorp: the problem is that if you expand every position you already have for op for 4 cells in every direction, when they move, you have to expand those too
accorp: this is an exponential...
accorp: island or no island, you can't rely on that
mlomb: I rely on that
mlomb: kinda
mlomb: I store the visited cells on each stat
mlomb: state*
mlomb: if you remove all the possibilities it ends up not being that much
ZarthaxX: he is just lying, it's a hell
AntiSquid: "not much"
mlomb: I have a trigger if they are too many I just cut down some
mlomb: but its high
Scarfield: the way i track silence is i check for cells the opponent could be, that touches water where i know the opponent cant be, then apply the 1-4 cells in different directions
accorp: I don't think too many bots are doing more than 1 cell per silent move. That would be a turning point for this league, but not now
Scarfield: i am not yet :p
BenjaminUrquhart: I am, but you can't tell through all the timeouts from not handling surface correctly :eyes:
accorp: Scarfield, try only 1, I'm pretty sure of this, and it can't hurt to try. Although, I have a failsafe, which resets the assumption and starts all over...
Scarfield: i am silencing, but only by one, thats what i meant :)
kingofnumbers: "Are there any prizes to win?
In the current situation, we're unable to ensure the delivery of prizes to winners."
kingofnumbers: does it mean there will be no prizes for sure
kingofnumbers: or it means it could be ?
mchl12: it's not about the prizes, it's about the fun we have together in this bot programming competition :)
Scarfield: but my point was just the way i do the silence tracking, the order shouldnt really make that much of a difference, since i find the "edges", but of course the will be more edges if move is done first, i just dont think it will mean that much
kingofnumbers: mchl12, still my question is valid :)
AntiSquid: don't care about prizes, although there usually are t-shirts at least, this contest was done last minute for the sake of keeping people busy during the covid lockdown
AntiSquid: i wouldn't expect more than t-shirts for top 20 or so kingofnumbers
kingofnumbers: AntiSquid I know this, but just asking because that sentences wasn't really clear
AntiSquid: welcome to CG
kingofnumbers: I feel like you are treating my like a greedy guy just because I asked this question
AntiSquid: no
AntiSquid: you missunderstand
AntiSquid: the lack of clarity happens from time to time
kingofnumbers: two guys immediately said "it's not about prizes it's more about fun "
kingofnumbers: even though my question was valid
AntiSquid: i didn't say fun
AntiSquid: this game ain't fun for me
Scarfield: we all think that you are greedy :p
kingofnumbers: Scarfield lol ok
Uljahn: you shouldn't ask random guys, ask community manager :smirk:
AntiSquid: ya i didn't mean it that way, as in it's not about the prizes ... i mean i just don't care in this instance if i say magically got 1st place and didn't win anything
Scarfield: honestly the contest is the prize in itself right now
accorp: there are prizes?
kingofnumbers: Scarfield, as I said: still my question was valid, please don't make such replies to my question
AntiSquid: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PRIZE ACCORP!! /s
muy31: BIG BRUH MOMENT
Scarfield: it was a joke, hence the smiley ;)
Uljahn: the main prize is another contest in may if you'll be still alive :smiley:
muy31: lol
Scarfield: can cats get the virus?
accorp: :D
AntiSquid: well if it mutates the right way i guess so ?
kingofnumbers: if the contest is "not about prizes"
kingofnumbers: I would ask the organizers please go to FAQ page
kingofnumbers: under question "Are there any prizes to win?"
kingofnumbers: please put this as reply "it's not about prizes, this contest is the prize itself"
kingofnumbers: instead of " In the current situation, we're unable to ensure the delivery of prizes to winners."
AntiSquid: kingofnumbers let's forget about this please, the chat will take any opportunity to talk random gibberish about anything, since it's usually very quiet in here
AntiSquid: don't read too much into it
muy31: are you kind of salty
AntiSquid: @_@
muy31: that was for kingofnumbers
AntiSquid: i take it personally muy31
AntiSquid: if you have a problem with me, i'll let you know that Automaton2000 is my paid bodyguard
Automaton2000: i can't even get to silver
muy31: RIP me #7 wants to take me down
Astrobytes: chill out kingofnumbers
AntiSquid: wow i am cutting you pay Automaton2000
Automaton2000: still working on my own
Scarfield: and i dont think anyone knows if there will be prices anyway, im just saying the contest is very much appreciated in this time of staying at home
mchl12: wanted to clarify that my reply was not meant seriously, it was not my intent to disregard your question kingofnumbers
accorp: so, if a torpedo or a mine is exploded, there's only 3 options, right?
Scarfield: how so?
Uljahn: it depends
AntiSquid: what do you mean by 3 options ?
Scarfield: you mean 1, 2 or 3 damage?
Scarfield: 0,1,2 *
AntiSquid: if they overlap it's 4 damage
Scarfield: if the opponent moved before exlpoding torpedo/mine the turn after you exploded torp/mine its a headache :p
AntiSquid: i need sleep, will kick myself out, good night
Scarfield: gn
muy31: bye bye
muy31: it's 5:30 where I am
muy31: pm
muy31: how about you?
accorp: a guy could be hit dead center, adjacent or not at all
Scarfield: 11.30 pm, so Altered Carbon is imminent :p
muy31: lol
Scarfield: yea if only on explosion went of, there are those 3
Uljahn: accorp: with separate explosion yes
Scarfield: but if you fired, and next turn the opponent moves then fires, there are some cases that will be tricky
Scarfield: if simultaneous explosions (no movement in between) its just adding the damage up for each cell
accorp: Uljahn, only an isolated explosion would do it, right?
accorp: One that occurred alone in a round
accorp: my god this got complicated :)
Scarfield: yup
Scarfield: so dont fire anything the turn after i fired!
accorp: firing can be dangerous, yes
accorp: but you can fire and reveal
Scarfield: yea, i havent implemented using sonar yet, my torpedos are my sonar :p
accorp: my bot actually fires only when certain, but I need to work on that
BenjaminUrquhart: my game controller doesn't like surfacing >.>
kingofnumbers: my understanding that every torpedo or mine doesn't interfere with other torpedo or mine, damage for each one will be calculated separately
OmidSafari: hi
mchl12: Scarfield, try keeping a list of all explosions, and as soon as the enemy moves, change the locations of all explosions in the direction of their move. This should help with opponents firing after moving.
Scarfield: yea, started implementing that, "shifting" a map of the explosions, then i thought what if they silenced as well :P
Scarfield: will have to be for tomorrow
Scarfield: but ty for the tip :)
accorp: does anyone see any good in sonar? i'm struggling to see a benefit, but all see are edge cases...
kingofnumbers: well, if you have good prediction system, sonar could help increase its accuracy
Scarfield: i think it will matter more, when more people start silencing further
kingofnumbers: I think sonar will not matter in low leagues
kingofnumbers: but only in advanced matches
accorp: but thinking about its nature
mchl12: So far I find sonar most useful when the opponent has many possible positions, as soon as I have more certainty on the opponent's whereabouts I switch to mines. Not sure if this is a good strategy though.
mchl12: Having 2 mines directly next to eachother seems unecessary, which means you sometimes have a turn or two to charge your sonar.
accorp: having sonar on 1 possible location in a sector?
accorp: that would either eliminate or have one
TheFlashDemon_6b40: hi guys, where are you?
mchl12: if you want to play consistently (which you do), you want to sonar the sector with the highest chance of the opponent's presence
mchl12: anything else is high risk, high reward
accorp: that would eliminate the less..?
mchl12: using sonar on the sector with the least possibilities, would also result in less, because the answer will most likely be no
mchl12: if the answer is no on a big sector, you can eliminate multiple places
accorp: because he would move out, reacting on the sonar?
Illedan: You also want to eliminate closer sectors first.
kingofnumbers: Illedan, do you mean closer to my submarine? why ?
accorp: open fire
Scarfield: bigger threat, than being further away
Illedan: If you are correct. Fire.
Illedan: If he is far away. Nothing will happen in a lot of rounds anyway..
Illedan: Closer and you can start shooting to narrow further
Scarfield: well, gonna call it a day - gn
mchl12: good point
kingofnumbers: it doesn't seem good strategy to me
Illedan: Good thing there is no right approach ;)
kingofnumbers: yeah, I said "seem" and "to me"
Illedan: ^^
accorp: I play defence in most games until I understand them, but when I find a good offence I usually get to lefend
accorp: legend*
accorp: that's why I think mines are the way to go on this one
BenjaminUrquhart: so when my bot isn't throwing nullpointers it looks decent I guess
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/442088595
OmidSafari: hello
icecream17: what's a tooltip?
BenjaminUrquhart: the little tabs on the progress bar
icecream17: ok. I wish this would always happen: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/442078610
BenjaminUrquhart: before I click
BenjaminUrquhart: is it a 1x1 hole someone spawned in
BenjaminUrquhart: close enough
icecream17: yes?
kingofnumbers: icecream17, lol
kingofnumbers: I think you should report that to the creators
kingofnumbers: or actually maybe it's intended, since you can choose your starting cell
BenjaminUrquhart: they know
BenjaminUrquhart: intended
kingofnumbers: ok then
icecream17: i just delete every space that has less than 2 other spaces next to it.
icecream17: but for a rectangle.... hmm
BenjaminUrquhart: I floodfill and pick the largest area
accorp: largest area / distance to starting point
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm 2 bugs away from getting out of the bottom of wood 1:
MOVE null TORPEDO
Invalid MOVE: obstacle or already visited cell
accorp: it will make you reveal the least
accorp: provided you picked the largest area starting point
kingofnumbers: accorp or just go to largest area, and rely on silence to stay unknown
accorp: every move you make is powering something, but also reveling your position
Zenoscave: oops. eulerscheZahl
Zenoscave: https://www.codingame.com/replay/442095173
struct: it happened :p
Zenoscave: Am I not the first to report?
struct: It can happen, I posted seeds here yesterday of it
Zenoscave: nice
Zenoscave: still on those seeds huh
struct: nah
struct: that was yesterday
struct: But I think of it happening is very low
struct: and also enemy should always choose the area with most ocean available
Zenoscave: how many trials before you saw one?
Zenoscave: 1M?
struct: I tried to split in half
struct: seed=1874286978
Zenoscave: oops
struct: I had better seed for splitting map in half, but lost it
YannT: kovi: you have the sneakiest submarine in the realm :o
YannT: I can't seem to torpedo you
phaberthur: i need a good code
Secundus: System.out.println("Hello World");
Secundus: here you go
phaberthur: :rage:
icecream17: oooh, i can play my code against my code
icecream17: oh, they pick the same square at the beginning...
YannT: heyy ça push fort!
YannT: par contre, bon, va vraiment falloir gérer les mines là
YannT: #6, on peut aller se coucher :)
Zenoscave: wrong channel ;)
YannT: oh shit ;)
YannT: sorry
YannT: I blame it on the latenessq of the hour
Zenoscave: No worries :) it must be quite late
YannT: about time yeah
YannT: I can't go any higher without having some description of mine handling I think
kovi: nice submit
YannT: I trained on you kovi
YannT: you're the sneakiest submarine
YannT: you've got good incertitude maximization :)
Zenoscave: Kovi. do you do full path or just current position for filtering positions
icecream17: ok, icecream17, stop delaying, you know floodfill is the easiest way
icecream17: this is harder than it seems. oh no
BenjaminUrquhart: floooood
BenjaminUrquhart: I finally found my invalid move issue. I forgot to update coordinates when silencing :)
BenjaminUrquhart: it's now fixed well enough that I don't get a million losses instantly
sudomakeinstall2: can you mine and trigger the same mine in one turn?
BenjaminUrquhart: try it an see
sudomakeinstall2: The default AI does it but the mine doesn't trigger, but I was under the assumption that you can do this. Wanted to make sure.
mlomb: You can't
BenjaminUrquhart: I've somehow managed to attempt to divide by zero
BenjaminUrquhart: looks like my tracking needs some more work
aangairbender: which positions do you guys have? e.g. I am top102 in bronze
BenjaminUrquhart: 69 wood 1 due to some issues that cause my bot to crash
PatrickMcGinnisII: What's the news from the world?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Trucks are spraying down our streets with some gas, and its not for mosquitos.
BenjaminUrquhart: oh hey maybe I'll make it out of wood
aangairbender: I guess u need just to move without using SURFACE very often and track enemy
BenjaminUrquhart: yep I'm moving on to bronze
BenjaminUrquhart: time fore more headaches
aangairbender: bronze introduce mines, but I am just ignoring them for now
aangairbender: there are still a lot places for improvement
aangairbender: i track enemy, but i dont hide for tracking well
BenjaminUrquhart: I have an interesting way of hiding, won't say more just yet :)
aangairbender: just charging and using SILENCE when I dont know where the enemy is
BenjaminUrquhart: I actively hunt the enemy
aangairbender: but care, if you dont know where the enemy is and use TORPEDO, enemy will know that you are close to that shot
BenjaminUrquhart: that's part of my hiding
BenjaminUrquhart: :eyes:
BenjaminUrquhart: or I should say it's handled by my hiding
aangairbender: then it's ok
aangairbender: go to bronze so I could make some pvp matches with you xD
BenjaminUrquhart: just got there
BenjaminUrquhart: having some move issues
aangairbender: first match, a win for me
BenjaminUrquhart: I know
BenjaminUrquhart: there was a subtle bug in my state management
aangairbender: oh, actually you won, but then you tried to go to already visited cell
BenjaminUrquhart: ik
aangairbender: how many lines of code do you have?
BenjaminUrquhart: 814
aangairbender: c++?
BenjaminUrquhart: java
aangairbender: ok, i have 500 c#
SolForecast: Hey there, anyone up?
aangairbender: y
SolForecast: I'm seriously confused how to get the elevator floor from Don't Panic >>
aangairbender: dont know the rules sorry
aangairbender: do ocean of code!
SolForecast: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/don't-panic-episode-1 It's over here if you could help ^^;
SolForecast: gee. im still stuck on conditionals. I dont think i should head there yet
aangairbender: i can see reading of elevator floor from the input in the default code
aangairbender: what language do you use?
SolForecast: python currently
SolForecast: My idea right now is to just compare the position together to the direction, but I don't know how to call for said elevator position
aangairbender: wait a min
SolForecast: >~>?
aangairbender: you could have two bool variables
first is whether elevator located to the left from the clone
second is whether clone is going LEFT
now if these variables are equal you should print WAIT else BLOCK
aangairbender: i guess
SolForecast: er.
Problem i had right now is I have no idea how do I call for the elevator's position
SolForecast: I did get the basic gist so far. I just- don't understand what I'm supposed to do to call for each floor
SolForecast: *'s elevator
aangairbender: but you have reading of elevator_floor and elevator_position
aangairbender: you could store that and use
SolForecast: I can't seem to call it. It only gives out error that it simply doesnt exist
aangairbender: i would create an array outside that for loop and append pairs of elevator_floor and elevator_pos to that arrat
aangairbender: and then use it in my game cycle
aangairbender: game loop*
SolForecast: @-@
aangairbender: because everything creating inside for disappears outside for loop
aangairbender: it is called variable scope
SolForecast: I honestly have no idea how python array works yet honestly-
aangairbender: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d0812619-d59c-4af8-a15d-24b59fdd27ec
aangairbender: btw that can be googled
aangairbender: i am not good with python, but basic idea to store that elevator data to some global variable
SolForecast: wait
So array is just, a queue or something?
aangairbender: yep
aangairbender: kinda list
SolForecast: fair enough. I'll give that a try
aangairbender: good luck
FlyingMoustache_e541: hi
